What are you scoring in fights/boxing matches?

[Lomadeaux]

I dunno why y'all're trying. Let the kid whine every time a card comes up he doesn't understand. It's not a big deal....there are plenty who understand generalship and still cry about cards. **** it.

Basically, there's going to be a certain number of fans who try to force boxing into their conceptions rather than learning the reality of the sport. There's no point in arguing with these people.....plus I'm pretty sure L's right, this guy's a child. Maybe early 20s or some **** at best.

That was embarrassing to look at man. He’s a kid, that’s all there is to it. I can tell you countless gym stories of kids like him.

[Boxing_1013]

I dunno why y'all're trying. Let the kid whine every time a card comes up he doesn't understand. It's not a big deal....there are plenty who understand generalship and still cry about cards. **** it.

Basically, there's going to be a certain number of fans who try to force boxing into their conceptions rather than learning the reality of the sport. There's no point in arguing with these people.....plus I'm pretty sure L's right, this guy's a child. Maybe early 20s or some **** at best.

That was embarrassing to look at man. He’s a kid, that’s all there is to it. I can tell you countless gym stories of kids like him.

Lol...to think anyone would really read this thread and think that you two clowns look good here, is peak ******ity...but honestly you guys have already proved how simple you were time and time again in this thread.

Btw...as I said before...I'm early 30s and about 200 pounds...so if either one of you guys could take me in a fight, God bless you..you certainly will have earned it...we know you certainly can't hang in a logical debate.

You guys honestly come across as boot lickers...which is pretty pathetic...any fool can see there is corruption in boxing, especially with judging.

To explain away bad cards/decisions/robberies as 'just judges scoring different things' is so ******...you guys are terrible for boxing...keep defending those Callum Smith vs John Ryder cards you two *******s.

[Boxing_1013]

I ask this question sincerely...I am a bit stunned when some posters on here claim they actively score things such as defense, ring generalship, effective aggression.

I felt it was pretty obvious that the only things judges score, and that any of us should be scoring, in a fight is who is landing the better (more, cleaner, harder, more effective etc) punches.

Those other qualities mentioned are obviously important...but only as far as they allow you to 'score' on (or not be scored on by) your opponent.

A big problem that can exist when someone actively scores those other areas (imho) is it opens up a can of worms and really makes it possible for some judges (and some of us) to try and justify horrible cards and decisions.

A judge could say 'well fighter X was fighting his fight and made fighter Y fight a fight he didn't want to (ring general)...I felt he nullified the effective aggression of fighter Y...fighter X showed better defense in my opinion as well.'

But in that scenario, if fighter X lands 20 punches and misses 20, and fighter Y lands 5 punches and misses 3...and all the punches are basically the same effectiveness, well it is obvious that fighter X wins the round.

If you actively score the other criteria, it as much as anything becomes a serious opportunity to rig scorecards and justify terrible decisions/cards.

Not to mention that I feel it is pretty intuitive that when scoring a fight/boxing match, all that matters is who is doing the better scoring/damage/work...this holds as true for a pro boxing match, as it does for a street fight...that's all we are looking to judge when we are deciding the winner.

I am of the belief that judges (or any of us) should rarely if ever differ by more than 2 rounds in any given fight...we may differ on if a round is very clear, or close but clear, or a 50/50 pick em round.

But in general we should agree within about 1 round of each other...most fights just aren't that hard to score...you more or less split the too close to call rounds...and score the others, and them bam, there you go.

Imho 95% of fights have one clear winner...5% are the '7-5 either way' type of fights, where maybe you shade it one way but could see how someone else shades it another way...Floyd JLC 1 was this way for me...I shade it 7-5 to Floyd or could go with 6-6...but could see 7-5 JLC as well.

In any event, interested in hearing everyone's thoughts.

Great article for those who haven't seen it:

"Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.

So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.

Now, there's no mathematical formula that equates the number of punches with the hardness of the punch. The judge has to weigh the two based on his experience. But more important than the number of punches or the hardness of the punch is the effect of the punch. For example, a seemingly lighter punch that causes a boxer to stagger is scored higher than a seemingly harder punch that has no effect.

Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.

If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing."

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

Not many of you know how to score a fight. Not many of you know anything about boxing. Those who do are pleasant to discuss the sport with.

I dunno why y'all're trying. Let the kid whine every time a card comes up he doesn't understand. It's not a big deal....there are plenty who understand generalship and still cry about cards. **** it.

Basically, there's going to be a certain number of fans who try to force boxing into their conceptions rather than learning the reality of the sport. There's no point in arguing with these people.....plus I'm pretty sure L's right, this guy's a child. Maybe early 20s or some **** at best.

That was embarrassing to look at man. He’s a kid, that’s all there is to it. I can tell you countless gym stories of kids like him.

I'm not even sure if you two can read/comprehend what you read tbh

[Lomadeaux]

I've never seen anything like this...

[Marchegiano]

Lol...to think anyone would really read this thread and think that you two clowns look good here, is peak ******ity...but honestly you guys have already proved how simple you were time and time again in this thread.

Btw...as I said before...I'm early 30s and about 200 pounds...so if either one of you guys could take me in a fight, God bless you..you certainly will have earned it...we know you certainly can't hang in a logical debate.

You guys honestly come across as boot lickers...which is pretty pathetic...any fool can see there is corruption in boxing, especially with judging.

To explain away bad cards/decisions/robberies as 'just judges scoring different things' is so ******...you guys are terrible for boxing...keep defending those Callum Smith vs John Ryder cards you two *******s.

Okay son.

[Boxing_1013]

I've never seen anything like this...

Okay son.

Why are y'all even here...this is my thread lol...just leave my house guys...you're both a little slow and a little too sweet for me to help