Its pretty bad when a world champ and 12 year pro's best win is a gatekeeper

[MeanestNiceGuy]

as ive mentioned 200x....me and boo boo are both from RI..ive known him since he was a kid...and in RI, being so small, we really pull for any pro athletes.....but his career has been a big disappointment in my eyes

he pulled out of a jermell fight years ago on 3 weeks notice...with his father citing money as a reason....yet his promoter said his father lied about the money they were gonna get.....they also claimed roc nation told them to pull out of the fight because theyd pay them to do and they could line up a fight for more money(check that whole lawsuit fiasco)

he was reportedly offered a jermall fight on showtime recently but decided to reup with DAZN...so he could get paid to fight a mismatch with luke keeler....a huge mismatch and it took him 9 rounds to dispatch of him and then he was walking around screaming and grunting like king kong like he just beat someone good...

i just dont know man...

ps...imo his best win is sulecki...

Great post! I keep telling people how he outpriced himself for the Charlo fight years ago.

PS: I keep thinking you're Benny The Butcher whenever I see your posts.

[GhostofDempsey]

You can say the same about Jermall Charlo. Best win was Williams at 154.

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Im talking about Demetrius andrade, the guy has alot of talent, not the most fun to watch but I remember watching him in FNFs when he was just out of the Olympics.

Now he has a paper title and over a decade later his best win is against Vanes Martyosian who's most notable "win" was a TD draw against Lara.

Why doesn't he fight any world class or notable opponents?

I agree he has not fought a really good middleweight who can punch. He won a vacant title by beating an unknown African that nobody on this forum ever heard of before. The guy was ranked I think 46th in the world by boxrec and had no business fighting for a vacant title. Then his mandatory was another nobody who couldn't fight. He claims he is trying to fight the top guys but they all refuse to fight him. Maybe this is true or maybe it isn't. I have no way to know. It's hard to believe he couldn't get a fight with Dervy as bad as Dervy wants a title. He showed very little skill in his last fight. He just stood there and threw wild haymakers at the guy but the guy couldn't fight so he beat him. I think Dervy or Jermall would both beat Andrade from what I have seen of the three of them.

[SplitSecond]

as ive mentioned 200x....me and boo boo are both from RI..ive known him since he was a kid...and in RI, being so small, we really pull for any pro athletes.....but his career has been a big disappointment in my eyes

he pulled out of a jermell fight years ago on 3 weeks notice...with his father citing money as a reason....yet his promoter said his father lied about the money they were gonna get.....they also claimed roc nation told them to pull out of the fight because theyd pay them to do and they could line up a fight for more money(check that whole lawsuit fiasco)

he was reportedly offered a jermall fight on showtime recently but decided to reup with DAZN...so he could get paid to fight a mismatch with luke keeler....a huge mismatch and it took him 9 rounds to dispatch of him and then he was walking around screaming and grunting like king kong like he just beat someone good...

i just dont know man...

ps...imo his best win is sulecki...

Roc nation ***ed up a lot of careers.

[Citizen Koba]

Floyd had a "boring" style but he was entertaining as a person and marketed himself masterfully.

EDIT: Why did you bring up 'boring' btw? I never said anything at all about Boo Boo being boring... I don't think he is - or Floyd for that matter - at least, not when matched with decentish opponents. Did you misread the word 'boxing' in the first line of my post maybe?

Well early days Floyd didn't have a 'boring' style at all, but the single biggest key to his success was signing with TR and Arum who were able to sell him as an Olympic hero and get him some of the best fights available under matchmaker Bruce Trampler.

Ironically given the later criticisms the young Floyd apparently pushed harder for the big fights than TR might have prefered, but it was the partnership with Arum and Trampler that ensured he was able to land the opponents that matched his level of devolpment.

Had he signed with some smaller outfit out of the Olympics as Boo Boo did with Banner it's most likely that while has talent would eventually have brought him to the top it would have taken far longer and likely stalled along the way with far fewer highlights and top opponents. That's just the way things are.

At the end of the day Floyd was made into a star by TR, although his own masterful self promotion took him further than I think Bob could ever have done in the end.

Nice article on the early days with Floyd and TR and some other stuff here:

https://www.si.com/boxing/2015/04/27/top-rank-1996-olympics-floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-bruce-trampler

Weird though - it was actually Main Events that had sponsored Floyd as an amateur, in some alternate reality he could easily have signed with them instead...

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Sulecki was a great win for sure--- and more dominant that I definitely expected. If anything, that made me sure Andrade could pose a challenge to any of the middleweight elites.

So now it's time to step up.

Same thing for Jermall.

[anonymous2.0]

I think Andrade should take a slice of humble pie and try and entice Munguia to fight for a 50/50 split or be the B side. Andrade isn't going to get any of the other champions - Golovkin, Murata, and Charlo are all angling for Canelo - and Derevchenko and Eubank jr themselves are rated #1's in the WBC and WBA respectively and they're probably not going endanger their spots for a fight with Andrade who is less money.

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EDIT: Why did you bring up 'boring' btw? I never said anything at all about Boo Boo being boring... I don't think he is - or Floyd for that matter - at least, not when matched with decentish opponents. Did you misread the word 'boxing' in the first line of my post maybe?

Well early days Floyd didn't have a 'boring' style at all, but the single biggest key to his success was signing with TR and Arum who were able to sell him as an Olympic hero and get him some of the best fights available under matchmaker Bruce Trampler.

Ironically given the later criticisms the young Floyd apparently pushed harder for the big fights than TR might have prefered, but it was the partnership with Arum and Trampler that ensured he was able to land the opponents that matched his level of devolpment.

Had he signed with some smaller outfit out of the Olympics as Boo Boo did with Banner it's most likely that while has talent would eventually have brought him to the top it would have taken far longer and likely stalled along the way with far fewer highlights and top opponents. That's just the way things are.

At the end of the day Floyd was made into a star by TR, although his own masterful self promotion took him further than I think Bob could ever have done in the end.

Nice article on the early days with Floyd and TR and some other stuff here:

https://www.si.com/boxing/2015/04/27/top-rank-1996-olympics-floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-bruce-trampler

Weird though - it was actually Main Events that had sponsored Floyd as an amateur, in some alternate reality he could easily have signed with them instead...

Promo companies and fighting styles dont definitively determine popularity. A fighter can carve their own path.

It doesn't help that Andrade has zero personality

[Citizen Koba]

Promo companies and fighting styles dont definitively determine popularity. A fighter can carve their own path.

It doesn't help that Andrade has zero personality

I never said otherwise... support of a big promoter / sanctioning org / Network ain't the only factor of course, but it is the single biggest one. IMHO of course.

Course big punchers and KO artists got an advantage as do certain personalities, and obviously nationalities but ultimately it's the promoters that have the money, the connections and the leverage to make the fights.

Were you thinking of anyone in particular? It might help if we were discussing a particular case rather than hypotheticals.

Kovalevs one who made it with a smaller promoter, GGG too I guess, but he had a big push off HBO otherwise he likely wouldn't have even got as far as he did. There ain't many though.

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I never said otherwise... support of a big promoter / sanctioning org / Network ain't the only factor of course, but it is the single biggest one. IMHO of course.

Course big punchers and KO artists got an advantage as do certain personalities, and obviously nationalities but ultimately it's the promoters that have the money, the connections and the leverage to make the fights.

Were you thinking of anyone in particular? It might help if we were discussing a particular case rather than hypotheticals.

Kovalevs one who made it with a smaller promoter, GGG too I guess, but he had a big push off HBO otherwise he likely wouldn't have even got as far as he did. There ain't many though.

Ya I was gonna say the obvious ones of Floyd, GGG, and now Gervonta Davis...

Even with BIG BACKINGS Jermall Charlo and Errol Spence are insignificant in boxing. As is, sadly, Lomachenko. As is, even more sadly, Terrence Crawford. And those 4 guys have TR, ESPN, PBC, SHOWTIME, and CBS pumping them up. Charlo and Loma have never been on PPV and just dont interest the casual fan. Crawford has been a PPV BOMB and, despite having a fan friendly style and finishing most of his opponents, isnt a hot seller. Same exact thing applies to Spence except his PPV appearances have been marginally better...