Wilder VS Foreman, Bag and HL reel, who wins?

**Zelda** · 02-04-2020, 01:39 AM

Both fighters hit hard but in different ways. For a "short punch", I think Foreman would have much more damage than wilder but for a full swing right hand, Wilder would be devastating.

As for a fight, both had "unconventional skills" and both take punches. Due to height, speed, and agility, Wilder should have the advantage. Foreman was too stationary so his style is the wrong one against Wilder. Frazier or Mike Tyson, even though much smaller in size, would defeat Wilder easily.

**AlexKid** · 02-04-2020, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Zelda

Both fighters hit hard but in different ways. For a "short punch", I think Foreman would have much more damage than wilder but for a full swing right hand, Wilder would be devastating.

As for a fight, both had "unconventional skills" and both take punches. Due to height, speed, and agility, Wilder should have the advantage. Foreman was too stationary so his style is the wrong one against Wilder. Frazier or Mike Tyson, even though much smaller in size, would defeat Wilder easily.

Wilder has better kinetic linking he hits harder at close range obviously.

But foreman overcomes his lesser kinetic linking when he pre loads his shoulders, so he basically hits with proper kinetic linking (or perfect kinetic linking) for long range punches when he loads up. (turns shoulders the opposite way to the direction of the punch before the punch)

Straight out of stance at least when young foreman was a lesser puncher technique wise I think that improved esp in older foreman but need to re check

Thats why Lyle handed it to him, he had awesome kinetic linking to so he went toe to toe with foreman close and won an exchange that way.

Question is does a pre loaded Foreman punch hit harder than Deontay's punch (also preloaded or not)?

**NORMNEALON** · 02-04-2020, 02:02 AM

They are both all time punchers . I just cant see wilder beating a prime george his chin was rock solid and he fought on the inside mostly with shorter punches . I dont think wilder would stand a chance in hell . Foreman is ALL wrong for him . I personally see this fight ending within 5 rounds with wilder flat on his back . Wilder has more snapping power . But george has this inhuman slow looking thudding power . And then their styles . George wouldnt outbox wilder he would put his head on his chest , pound to the body and stop deontay viciously. Now this is just my opinion , and iam not ignoring the fact that wilder is also an all time puncher and could put George's lights out at any moment I just think george was mentally tougher fought the better competition and his style was all wrong for wilder . Fun mythical matchup becuase these two names come up in every top 5 atg heavyweight punchers list . Hell all time punchers list either way . Wilder just hasnt shown me enuff to pick him to beat prime george . I dont think it would end well for him . I dont think it could end well for wilder imho . My god wouldn't this be exciting tho !!! I think wilder beats old george he just took too many punches to stand up to that wilder right hand . But prime george I dont even think it's close. Wilder has a punchers chance .

**NORMNEALON** · 02-04-2020, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by AlexKid

Wilder has better kinetic linking he hits harder at close range obviously.

But foreman overcomes his lesser kinetic linking when he pre loads his shoulders, so he basically hits with proper kinetic linking (or perfect kinetic linking) for long range punches when he loads up. (turns shoulders the opposite way to the direction of the punch before the punch)

Straight out of stance at least when young foreman was a lesser puncher technique wise I think that improved esp in older foreman but need to re check

Thats why Lyle handed it to him, he had awesome kinetic linking to so he went toe to toe with foreman close and won an exchange that way.

Question is does a pre loaded Foreman punch hit harder than Deontay's punch (also preloaded or not)?

You are a solid poster but I respectfully disagree , when has wilder ever looked great on the inside ?? Especially against an elite opponent ?? I'll wait . George was a killer inside , he put his head on guys chest and did exactly what u stated here . I dont think it's fair to compare what lyle did to foreman . They went to war . Wilder does not go to war he stays on the outside on his toes and carefully selects his openings . He leads most of the time with apawing jab . Also ron Lyle fought a completely mentally struggling version of foreman and still lost . Imo it's not quite a fair comparison assuming we are talking the best george vs the best wilder George's body work would be the differnce imo . What a hell of a mythical matchup tho !!! Fire vs fire . All time power puncher matchup but only one is a true all time great. I think foreman's all wrong for wilder especially young george . While I disagree slightly ,nothing but respect bro .

**AlexKid** · 02-04-2020, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by NORMNEALON

You are a solid poster but I respectfully disagree , when has wilder ever looked great on the inside ?? Especially against an elite opponent ?? I'll wait . George was a killer inside , he put his head on guys chest and did exactly what u stated here . I dont think it's fair to compare what lyle did to foreman . They went to war . Wilder does not go to war he stays on the outside on his toes and carefully selects his openings . He leads most of the time with apawing jab . Also ron Lyle fought a completely mentally struggling version of foreman and still lost . Imo it's not quite a fair comparison assuming we are talking the best george vs the best wilder George's body work would be the differnce imo . What a hell of a mythical matchup tho !!! Fire vs fire . All time power puncher matchup but only one is a true all time great. I think foreman's all wrong for wilder especially young george . While I disagree slightly ,nothing but respect bro .

The last KO against Ortiz was quite close ranged, esp considering how long reached Wilder is. Despite longer reach than Foreman he hits better at close range due to better kinetic linking, from stance.

You are talking more about fighting tactics at close range. (you changed it, originally you were talking punching technique and Im responding to that 1st paragraph) I'm talking punching power like you were.

Foreman went to the body alot at close range where he had MORE ROOM, to hit, ie it wasnt a close range punch in the way im talking about it, he used the longest "travel time" punches possible, when up close, usually. Also same thing with hooks and uppercuts close.

Deontay with long arms can throw a straight* punch to your head with very little travel time or distance and still get the KO

**NORMNEALON** · 02-04-2020, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by AlexKid

The last KO against Ortiz was quite close ranged, esp considering how long reached Wilder is. Despite longer reach than Foreman he hits better at close range due to better kinetic linking, from stance.

You are talking more about fighting tactics at close range. (you changed it, originally you were talking punching technique and Im responding to that 1st paragraph) I'm talking punching power.

Foreman went to the body alot at close range where he had MORE ROOM, to hit, ie it wasnt a close range punch really, he used the longest "travel time" punches possible when close.

Deontay with long arms can throw a straight punch to your head with very little travel time or distance and still get the KO, only Lyle could do that

I get that , a straight puncher will land first alot of the time . And I totally see what you are saying . I just think regardless foreman's body work will be the differnce . I agree kinetically wilder is superior . And that foreman threw wide punches inside with long travel time . But the way foreman leaned on his opponents would require wilder to pivot out or move back to find a bit of range to get his power off . And wilder has never done that with an elite fighter . He caught ortiz coming in off the ropes with a short straight right . Either way I think we are both making solid points we just think it play out differently which is totally fair . I just personally think wilder is tailor made for george and i think foreman takes wilders punch better than wilder takes his ,but goddamn I would love to see this fight. Also foreman's short straight punches were also top notch . Imo better than wilders . My only worry be how much george gets hit .

**AlexKid** · 02-04-2020, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by NORMNEALON

I get that , a straight puncher will land first alot of the time . And I totally see what you are saying . I just think regardless foreman's body work will be the differnce . I agree kinetically wilder is superior . And that foreman threw wide punches inside with long travel time . But the way foreman leaned on his opponents would require wilder to pivot out or move back to find a bit of range to get his power off . And wilder has never done that with an elite fighter . He caught ortiz coming in off the ropes with a short straight right . Either way I think we are both making solid points we just think it play out differently which is totally fair . I just personally think wilder is tailor made for george and i think foreman takes wilders punch better than wilder takes his ,but goddamn I would love to see this fight. Also foreman's short straight punches were also top notch . Imo better than wilders . My only worry be how much george gets hit .

Well others can do it well at close range with a straight punch but Lyle was known for it and I see the same ability in Deontay despite long reach. Both because of freaky power.

I agree with what you are saying foreman had a better close range arsenal, and is better suited to being close than Wilder body shape wise. But thats fighting tactics. Im responding to punch technique for the above comments.

Im not at all disagreeing with what you are saying tactics wise, I think he's better up close too skill wise, has excellent hooks uppercuts and body shots with both hands, and creates room well, his close range game is top notch, and his body is more suited to it than Wilders, strong in the clinch also.

**Articulateboxin** · 02-04-2020, 02:52 AM

1) Wilder seems to have more 1 punch power
2) Foreman, I feel he wins this easily. I also feel the same way about an AJ match up, Tyson would probably outbox him over the distance.

I think people are forgetting that Wilder is a 1 punch knockout guy with very little technical ability. He only beats people he can knockout, this dude isn't outboxing anybody. I think he'd need to land a lot of right hands to finally KO foreman and he's going to be eating a lot of leather to do that. Wilder's never fought anybody even close to Foreman's power and been rocked and dropped by far less.

**NORMNEALON** · 02-04-2020, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by AlexKid

Well otehrs can do it well at close range with a straight punch but Lyle was known for it and I see the same ability in Deontay despite long reach. Both because of freaky power.

I agree with what you are saying foreman had a better close range arsenal, and is better suited to being close than Wilder body shape wise. But thats fighting tactics. Im responding to punch technique for the above comments.

Im not at all disagreeing with what you are saying tactics wise, I think he's better up close too, has excellent hooks uppercuts and body shots with both hands and creates room well does everything well up close and his body is more suited to it.

Fair game . I agree with what u are saying punch technique wise . I just dont see wilder having the mental fortitude to deal with foreman's pressure and tactics . Punch technique or not and I think a part u have addressed the reach is likely the differnce in a lyle comparison ,I think it makes a huge differnce and for the most part foreman was mentally destroyed after the ali fight he wasnt prime anymore he was basically a shell ( mentally) . Iam talking prime vs prime . That's the main reason i cant get behind a lyle comparison altho I see the comparison u have made technique wise clear as day

Wilder VS Foreman, Bag and HL reel, who wins?