Comments Thread For: Callum Smith Warns: Style-Wise - I'm a Bad Fight For Canelo

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There's nothing in that trash you posted about Golovkin picking Canelo's gloves, picking his own judges or picking the referee himself.

Canelo wanted to wear a pair of custom made gloves which hadn't been approved by the commission. GGG objected and Canelo was told to pick himself another pair of gloves.

Yes, GGG's team had a say in the selection of the judges and the ref .. so did Canelo's team:

"Bob Bennett, the commission’s executive director, allowed promoters from both camps to have input on the pool of potential judges."

"Loeffler and Gomez also had a say on the referee for Saturday’s fight, an assignment that went to Benjy Esteves Jr. of New Jersey."

Try again, fool. And next time, check your quotes before you post them.

So Canelo was okay w/ all gloves, refs, judges, and all beards, lockerrooms. Meanwhile GGG was not okay with gloves - literally making senseless excuses up, not okay with judges, refs, and LMFAO BEARDS. And he said Canelo was "Too LOUD" LMFAO WAT

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Gloves:

"Gennady Golovkin, his trainer Abel Sanchez and his team rejected the gloves that Saul Canelo Alvarez wanted to wear for the September 15 rematch at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada."

"And that they want another dressing room, because we make a lot of noise … to cry and cry and more to cry with those people,” Canelo said to ESPN Deportes in response to Team Golovkin’s objection to his gloves for the rematch."

"Saul Canelo Alvarez won’t be using the No Boxing No Life glove brand for the rematch with Gennady Golovkin. Those gloves were objected to by Golovkin’s trainer Abel Sanchez due to them never having been used in a world title fight."
Citizen Kobalt kafkod

This is how yall interpreted it...

"Canelo should be thinking of doing whatever he can to accommodate Golovkin and his team, because it won’t look good if he’s using gloves that haven’t been tested before in a major world title fight."

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Judges:

"In an attempt to avoid controversy, the Nevada Athletic Commission modified its protocol when selecting the judges for Saturday’s Saul “Canelo” Alvarez-Gennady Golovkin rematch at T-Mobile Arena.

Bob Bennett, the commission’s executive director, allowed promoters from both camps to have input on the pool of potential judges."

"Loeffler and Gomez also had a say on the referee for Saturday’s fight, an assignment that went to Benjy Esteves Jr. of New Jersey."

"As for the referee, it wasn’t an entirely smooth-sailing selection process, of course. When the commission replaced Bayless with Tony Weeks, Golovkin’s camp objected, citing a recent fight involving Denis Shafikov, whom Golovkin’s coach Abel Sanchez also trains."

“Tom (Loeffler) and I spoke until 11:45 last night exchanging emails,” Bennett said after last month’s commission meeting. “I understood his concerns. Golden Boy Promotions was happy with whomever. … "

So Ca$hnelo accepted judge and ref demanded by Borat and Abel. BOSS move by the BOSS.

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Ca$hnelo laying the LAW down

"Alvarez said he’s grown tired of Team Golovkin’s complaints. Golovkin’s trainer, Abel Sanchez, had issues with Alvarez’s beard and hand wraps before the first fight.

Alvarez also said that Golovkin had a problem with the loud noises coming out of Alvarez’s locker room and requested to be moved to a different room."

LMFAO...BORAT CANT GROW A BEARD SO WAS UPSET CA$HNELO CAN LMFAOOOO...the reason Borat lost the rematch...was the BEARD LMFAOOO

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Did I just MURDER 2 Borat stans??

Yes indeed.

Gloves:

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-g...s-beef--131765

As for why Alvarez chose that particular brand (which is known for protecting the hands well but not considered a 'punchers glove') Gomez told BoxingScene.com - "That's what he used in the first fight, he feels comfortable, they're good gloves, Winning. They're really built made gloves. It was just his decision, that's what he wanted to do."

Judges:

You said it yourself., man, both teams had an input in the pool of judges. Both teams had the right to object to the selection of a particular judge, but neither team had the right to choose the officials, this was done by NAC. You're just factually wrong. GGG did not choose the judges or the referee.

Do you want me to deal with the rest of the false, speculative or innaccurate statements you made in your previous post too - I can link you to sources which either refute or cast doubt on every single one of 'em - or we good?


Love the big fonts though man, they look positively intimidating.

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Gloves:

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-g...s-beef--131765

Judges:

You said it yourself., man, both teams had an input in the pool of judges. Both teams had the right to object to the selection of a particular judge, but neither team had the right to choose the officials, this was done by NAC. You're just factually wrong. GGG did not choose the judges or the referee.

Do you want me to deal with the rest of the false, speculative or innaccurate statements you made in your previous post too - I can link you to sources which either refute or cast doubt on every single one of 'em - or we good?

Love the big fonts though man, they look positively intimidating.

GBP agreed to everything. They objected nobody. No judge, no ref, no gloves, no beard, no lockerroom, no venue nonsense...that was literally ALL GGG. GBP and Canelo agreed to EVERYTHING.

If anyone chooses not to process that then it's just not gonna happen

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Ryder gave both Fielding and Smith tough fights and Canelo blasted through Fielding...

Ryder that fought Fielding not the same condition. Ryder looks to have found a S&C or got on some stuff. Either way, he’s much stronger and dangerous since Fielding, case in point, all stoppage wins before Smith. Only had such a streak once very early in career vs super bums, this time though all fairly decent fighters. So much improved and a different fighter.

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GBP agreed to everything. They objected nobody. No judge, no ref, no gloves, no beard, no lockerroom, no venue nonsense...that was literally ALL GGG. GBP and Canelo agreed to EVERYTHING.

If anyone chooses not to process that then it's just not gonna happen

You said Golovkin chose the judges. That is flat wrong. The NAC chose the judges. The fighters merely had the right to object.

Besides, far as I'm concerned any fighter has the right to make any requests they like. If it's within the rules then why not? If it ain't then they'll get turned down. Besides, why would you think that it's strange or contemptible for a fighter to request somwhere quieter whilst waiting for their fight? Surely the aim should be as much as possible to allow every fighter to prepare as they see fit. Diva behaviour would have been asking for Canelo to move...

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You said Golovkin chose the judges. That is flat wrong. The NAC chose the judges. The fighters merely had the right to object.

Besides, far as I'm concerned any fighter has the right to make any requests they like. If it's within the rules then why not? If it ain't then they'll get turned down. Besides, why would you think that it's strange or contemptible for a fighter to request somwhere quieter whilst waiting for their fight? Diva behaviour would have been asking for Canelo to move...

The "rules" were changed FOR THAT FIGHT due to demand of GGG.

They literally made a 1-fight rule so GGG could pick his judges and refs and refute the ones he didnt want.

Canelo and GBP did not care. They agreed to everything.

GGG whined about Beards, Gloves, Judges, Refs, Venues, Split, etc.

If you're stuck in your position that's fine but its merely your ignorance to acknowledge there could be any wrongdoing on anyone but Canelo and DLH. Lots of times there is, but never in the DIVA GGG saga

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The "rules" were changed FOR THAT FIGHT due to demand of GGG.

They literally made a 1-fight rule so GGG could pick his judges and refs and refute the ones he didnt want.

Canelo and GBP did not care. They agreed to everything.

GGG whined about Beards, Gloves, Judges, Refs, Venues, Split, etc.

If you're stuck in your position that's fine but its merely your ignorance to acknowledge there could be any wrongdoing on anyone but Canelo and DLH. Lots of times there is, but never in the DIVA GGG saga

No. It's not abnormal in top level fights, big PPVs and stuff for teams to be allowed objections to judges, especially if there's been recent controversy.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-xp...007-story.html

....Nevada has altered its selection process for judges and referees.

Starting with Saturday night’s World Boxing Organization welterweight title fight between unbeaten champion Timothy Bradley of Palm Springs and Mexico’s Juan Manuel Marquez, fighters’ representatives and promoters will be empowered to object to those arbiters they don’t want involved in a major bout.

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It's more a case of streamlining the normal objections procedure, I think, cos it's easier to ask the fighters in advance to raise their objections prior to the NAC making it's selection that going to the effort of choosing only to have the fighter say they ain't happy. Makes perfect sense when there's already been a scoring controversy and one side or the other is likely to be looking closely at the judges.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-...l#NAC467Sec225

NAC 467.225  Judges: Selection; protest of assignment; fee; stationing; physical examination. (NRS 467.030)

1.  A majority of the Commission will select the judges for the main event in a championship contest and for any other contest or exhibition which the Commission considers to be a special event.

2.  If any licensee of the Commission protests the assignment of a judge, the protesting licensee will be given an opportunity to voice the protest and provide sufficient grounds to the Commission for the reassignment of a judge if time permits. If time does not permit, the protest will be heard by two Commissioners or a Commissioner and the Chief Inspector or Executive Director in order to make such disposition of the protest as the facts may justify. Protests not made in a timely manner may be summarily rejected.

And Golovkin still didn't pick them - which you're continuing to claim.

EDIT: In fact, weird thing is the article you reference (which I hadn't seen before) actually does contain details of exactly how the judges were selected, and it does turn out that the protocols were changed a bit in the light of the controversy from the previous fight which I hadn't realised. Funny thing ypou chopped out the bit where it gave detail about the process. However it clearly did not favour either fighter nor is there any way in which Golovkibn could be said to have chosen the judges any more than Canelo could be said to have 'chosen the judges'. Whatever you say about one had to be said about the other too.

Tom Loeffler, Golovkin’s promoter, and Eric Gomez, Alvarez’s promoter, each submitted five preferred judges. From that list, Bennett narrowed the field to seven and had final say on the three recommended judges that were presented Aug. 22 at the monthly commission meeting.

The commission unanimously approved Bennett’s final list of Dave Moretti of Las Vegas, Steve Weisfeld of New Jersey and Glenn Feldman of Connecticut.

“The protocol was changed a bit,” Bennett said. “There was numerous communication in an effort to make sure the right officials were officiating this fight and that we got it right.”

In the customary protocol, Bennett creates the pool of judges before sending the list to the promoters, allowing them an opportunity to speak against a judge. If Bennett agrees with the complaint, he’ll adjust the list before presenting it to the commission.

Disputes and objections to gloves are so commonplace that it's simply puzzling that you're making a fuss about it, and what the hell is the rest of that nonsense?

I mean really, you're actually objecting to a fighter negotiating for the best purse split he can get? For trying to get a venue he considers more neutral? These are things all fighters should be doing - or attempting to do - anyway, to the extent of the leverage they have.

What.. you think that maybe every fighter who King Canelo decides to fight should just put their begging bowl down, roll over and stick their ass in the air?


And just what the fuck are you saying I accused Canelo of, since that seems to be some issue with you? I ain't said either of 'em are particularly to blame for anything... I ain't really part of your blame generation kid - way I see the world everyone's just using what they can to get the best for themselves. All your nonsense about good guys and bad guys, warriors and cowards, is just kiddie fantasy to me. Can't even say either way whether Canelo's to blame for his failed test or at least whether he deliberately cheated. I also ain't complining that there's been no 3rd fight because I don't see the need - the trajectory is very clear.

So I ain't blamed Canelo for anything whereas you on the other hand are calling Golovkin all kindas of cowards and divas and whatever for reasons that are so banal it's ridiculous. Dude really upset you that much?

You probably need to learn some emotional distance from your favourite fighters man.

Oh. And FWIW I criticise GGG plenty. As a fan I been unhappy with a number of his choices of opponent and I've said so, I've also felt that he's passed on some good fights simply to ensure that the hope of a Canelo payday is kept alive. It's perfectly understandable but has lead to a few fights I wanted to see not happening. I've said that as well. Repeatedly. He ultimately has become the 'businessman' that he accused others of being, but then I also happen to think that fighters should be thinking of their bottom line... problem is the set up of the sport with so few major players commanding such disproportionatly large purses that it actually makes no financial sense for the lower earners to risk losses against each other once they've reached a certain level.

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Does this guy not remember how ****ed up the gloves got the night before when the guy was wearing Canelo's brand? Anybody would have a problem with that if a glove malfunctioned that much.

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Ryder gave both Fielding and Smith tough fights and Canelo blasted through Fielding...

A drained Fielding.

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No. It's not abnormal in top level fights, big PPVs and stuff for teams to be allowed objections to judges, especially if there's been recent controversy.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-xp...007-story.html



(my emphasis)


It's more a case of streamlining the normal objections procedure, I think, cos it's easier to ask the fighters in advance to raise their objections prior to the NAC making it's selection that going to the effort of choosing only to have the fighter say they ain't happy. Makes perfect sense when there's already been a scoring controversy and one side or the other is likely to be looking closely at the judges.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-...l#NAC467Sec225



And Golovkin still didn't pick them - which you're continuing to claim.

EDIT: In fact, weird thing is the article you reference (which I hadn't seen before) actually does contain details of exactly how the judges were selected, and it does turn out that the protocols were changed a bit in the light of the controversy from the previous fight which I hadn't realised. Funny thing ypou chopped out the bit where it gave detail about the process. However it clearly did not favour either fighter nor is there any way in which Golovkibn could be said to have chosen the judges any more than Canelo could be said to have 'chosen the judges'. Whatever you say about one had to be said about the other too.


Disputes and objections to gloves are so commonplace that it's simply puzzling that you're making a fuss about it, and what the hell is the rest of that nonsense?

I mean really, you're actually objecting to a fighter negotiating for the best purse split he can get? For trying to get a venue he considers more neutral? These are things all fighters should be doing - or attempting to do - anyway, to the extent of the leverage they have.

What.. you think that maybe every fighter who King Canelo decides to fight should just put their begging bowl down, roll over and stick their ass in the air?


And just what the fuck are you saying I accused Canelo of, since that seems to be some issue with you? I ain't said either of 'em are particularly to blame for anything... I ain't really part of your blame generation kid - way I see the world everyone's just using what they can to get the best for themselves. All your nonsense about good guys and bad guys, warriors and cowards, is just kiddie fantasy to me. Can't even say either way whether Canelo's to blame for his failed test or at least whether he deliberately cheated. I also ain't complining that there's been no 3rd fight because I don't see the need - the trajectory is very clear.

So I ain't blamed Canelo for anything whereas you on the other hand are calling Golovkin all kindas of cowards and divas and whatever for reasons that are so banal it's ridiculous. Dude really upset you that much?

You probably need to learn some emotional distance from your favourite fighters man.

Oh. And FWIW I criticise GGG plenty. As a fan I been unhappy with a number of his choices of opponent and I've said so, I've also felt that he's passed on some good fights simply to ensure that the hope of a Canelo payday is kept alive. It's perfectly understandable but has lead to a few fights I wanted to see not happening. I've said that as well. Repeatedly. He ultimately has become the 'businessman' that he accused others of being, but then I also happen to think that fighters should be thinking of their bottom line... problem is the set up of the sport with so few major players commanding such disproportionatly large purses that it actually makes no financial sense for the lower earners to risk losses against each other once they've reached a certain level.

One of the sources you used literally states:

“The protocol was changed a bit,” Bennett said. “There was numerous communication in an effort to make sure the right officials were officiating this fight and that we got it right.”

And the change happened at the request of Borat, Abel, and Tom.

In that SAME ARTICLE it says GBP agreed to EVERYTHING.

Borat picked the judges (by eliminating judges he didnt like), picked the referee (literally objected to Referee Byrd), Borat picked Canelos gloves after protesting "they could break" during the fight, whined about venues, whined about PPV split, whined about lockerroom noise (cant make this up), and - best for last - whined about Canelos beard.

Is this a JOKE?

Someone like you is too retarded and ********** to know really anything. Your own source literally conflicts with that long ass white supremacist rant. Its insane.

Anyhow thank God the fat red headed kid lit that boy up like a Christmas tree