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  • Vinnykin
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    #31
    Originally posted by Kezzer
    You do realise wilder isn’t anymore active ? I would argue he is worse because is level of opposition is significantly weaker. Fury has been but only when against real low level opposition. This issue isn’t just Joshua.

    Joshua -
    2019 - Ruiz , Ruiz
    2018 - Povetkin, Parker
    2017 - takam, Klitschko
    2016 - moline, Brezeale, Martin

    Wilder -
    2019 - Ortiz, Brezeale
    2018 - fury, Ortiz
    2017 - Stiverne, Washington
    2016 - Arreola, Szpilka

    Fury -
    2019 - Wallin, Schwartz
    2018 - wilder, planeta, seferi
    2017/2016 - none
    Since march 2018 both Fury and Wilder have been more active...... more active than the money man of the division..... it takes them 6 months to fight an IBF eliminator when they have a WBO to fight right after???

    Do you think this is normal? Joshua is paying these guys or offering better splits so he doesn't have to fight as often..... just like he bought the IBF, WBA and WBO belts in the first place.

    He's a golden boy without ever beating a legit champion.... bought his vacated belts, and now he is keeping them with the same methods and being supported by the orgs.

    Fury is the only one who cares about beating the top man..... **** the belts.

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    • Kezzer
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      #32
      Originally posted by Vinnykin
      Since march 2018 both Fury and Wilder have been more active...... more active than the money man of the division..... it takes them 6 months to fight an IBF eliminator when they have a WBO to fight right after???

      Do you think this is normal? Joshua is paying these guys or offering better splits so he doesn't have to fight as often..... just like he bought the IBF, WBA and WBO belts in the first place.

      He's a golden boy without ever beating a legit champion.... bought his vacated belts, and now he is keeping them with the same methods and being supported by the orgs.

      Fury is the only one who cares about beating the top man..... **** the belts.
      Ok we can clearly see your just a hater. Don’t let facts get in your way. Wilder has fought two fights a year for the last four years. Joshua similar (one extra fight than wilder). Fury did the same two fights last year, even against two fighters outside top50.

      As for opponents, Joshua’s list of opposition are is far superior and nobody can deny that. If you want to suggest Joshua is being protected having already fought the likes of klitschko and Povetkin who we know wilder ducked both previously- that I’ll leave you be.

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      • Monty Fisto
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        #33
        Originally posted by Vinnykin
        Since march 2018 both Fury and Wilder have been more active...... more active than the money man of the division..... it takes them 6 months to fight an IBF eliminator when they have a WBO to fight right after???

        Do you think this is normal? Joshua is paying these guys or offering better splits so he doesn't have to fight as often..... just like he bought the IBF, WBA and WBO belts in the first place.

        He's a golden boy without ever beating a legit champion.... bought his vacated belts, and now he is keeping them with the same methods and being supported by the orgs.

        Fury is the only one who cares about beating the top man..... **** the belts.
        Fury cares so much about beating the top man that his last two fights were against Wallin and Schwarz.

        If you are going to pillory Joshua, how many times he fights a year seems a peculiar topic to choose for that purpose. Twice a year is standard these days for a champion. When last did Canelo, to pick the other big cash cow in boxing, fight three times a year? You have to go back almost a decade.

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        • Jkp
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          #34
          Originally posted by Vinnykin
          I'm not going there..... he is tested more than any other champ or HW by UKAD and VADA.
          Lance Armstrong was most tested athlete on earth. And passed every one.

          The best resourced guys don't get caught.

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          • Monty Fisto
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            #35
            Originally posted by Jkp
            Lance Armstrong was most tested athlete on earth. And passed every one.

            The best resourced guys don't get caught.
            'I am the most tested athlete on earth and I have never tested positive', Lance Armstrong, 2003. Reliable source.

            In reality, Armstrong did test positive and always had a ready excuse, such as creams for saddle sores in 1999, and also faced specific allegations of PED use from team members. People who worked with him, saying in no uncertain terms they had seen him juice.

            We have nothing like this with Joshua. Literally nothing, other than baseless speculation on boxing forums.

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            • Laligalaliga
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              #36
              Originally posted by Vinnykin
              Wilder only has one belt you mong..... and Joshua has fought one less fight than Fury and Wilder in the last 2 years...... Wilder has had 40+ fights and is more active.... Fury came back and is away to fight 5 fights in less than 18 months, two against Wilder.......... suck a big one ..... Joshua is a 2 a year bum and getting knocked out 50% of the time.
              How many times do wilder fight in a year?.....am no interested in all these rubbish you are writing.

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              • Vinnykin
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                #37
                Originally posted by Kezzer
                Ok we can clearly see your just a hater. Don’t let facts get in your way. Wilder has fought two fights a year for the last four years. Joshua similar (one extra fight than wilder). Fury did the same two fights last year, even against two fighters outside top50.

                As for opponents, Joshua’s list of opposition are is far superior and nobody can deny that. If you want to suggest Joshua is being protected having already fought the likes of klitschko and Povetkin who we know wilder ducked both previously- that I’ll leave you be.
                Wilder has fought 4 times since march 2018 (Joshua and him fought around the same time) Wilder is fighting February which will make 5 in LESS THAN 2 years, Joshua taking 9 and 6 month breaks in the same time, meaning he is fighting 4 TIMES in 2 years.

                Go on Boxrec, check the dates, do the math.

                I am not a hater of Joshua, think he's a good guy and good boxer..... but his activity - at his age, number of fights, number of belts and number of mandatory's is pathetic.

                Wilder is nearly 35 and 40+ fights deep, fighting more of ten..... Fury was damn near dead in the same time frame and fighting more often, Plus WWE, book tours, events etc

                Just saying what I see. He's not being David Haye'd like Fury was, stood-up twice in the same year and having his prime years taken away..... he's making so much money and seemingly wanting to fight twice a year?

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                • Vinnykin
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Jkp
                  Lance Armstrong was most tested athlete on earth. And passed every one.

                  The best resourced guys don't get caught.
                  That has been proven a lie perpetuated by his lawyers. Lance Armstrong avoided many tests by simply avoiding testers..... and he wasn't tested by multiple agencies.

                  You just need to read the report into him and his teammates.

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                  • Vinnykin
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Monty Fisto
                    Fury cares so much about beating the top man that his last two fights were against Wallin and Schwarz.

                    If you are going to pillory Joshua, how many times he fights a year seems a peculiar topic to choose for that purpose. Twice a year is standard these days for a champion. When last did Canelo, to pick the other big cash cow in boxing, fight three times a year? You have to go back almost a decade.
                    Canelo does not have mandatories and has been fighting since a teenager professionally...... 55+ fights deep.

                    Bad comparison IMO.

                    I just want to know why Joshua can't fight 3 times this year for a change? seeing he has two mandatories to clear...... he's openly spoken about avoiding one and trying to do a deal with Wilder when he doesn't need to.

                    Wilder Fury are both talking about fighting 3 times this year, February, then rematch in the Summer..... then whoever is standing is open end of year.

                    Joshua has had Pulev waiting for a long time, paid him off for the Ruiz rematch probably, also Usyk chomping at the bit to get to him, and a possible fight with the Wilder Fury trilogy winner.

                    Why can't he fight three times in one year? Wilder and Fury will, Joshua 100% will not.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                      Hearn is lying again, isn't he?

                      If Joshua beats Pulev then fights Wilder next the WBO can't strip Joshua for that. Because unifications Trump mandatories, right?
                      I guess you should read the article more carefully...

                      Hearn said AJ will fight Pulev in May-June...

                      ... the article then reads:

                      Ukraine’s Usyk is armed with a similar guarantee from the WBO, which ordered his mandatory title shot to come on or before June 4, 2020.

                      For now, it appears that there exists cooperation amongst the governing bodies. It will also mean that Joshua will have to either go the year without pursuing another title—meaning, the winner of the February 22 rematch between World Boxing Council (WBC) titlist Deontay Wilder (42-0-1, 41KOs) of Tuscaloosa, Alabama and England’s Tyson Fury (29-0-1, 20KO)—or go into such a fight with one less belt.

                      “So for now, we’re moving forward with what looks like Joshua-Pulev,” notes Hearn. “We are looking at late May, early June, likely in London. From there, the winner would fight Usyk. The only way that Joshua wouldn’t fight Usyk is if he got the Wilder-Fury winner. That wouldn’t be undisputed, though, because the WBO will of course have to protect Usyk and order that fight."

                      As long as AJ-Pulev is to take place in May-early June it will be impossible to hold back WBO (who ordered AJ-Usyk for 4 June)... Hearn can't conclude a fight vs the winner of Wilder-Furry in a matter or hours-days... Therefore he expects WBO to strip AJ in the process...

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