Why do some forget that GGG accepted the Ward fight in 2013?

[Curtis Harper]

Yeah, boring, but the whole point is that Gennady agreed to fight Ward in 2013 and Ward said no. Period.

Was a biased piece. What else was should I have expected him, or ANY FIGHTER, to say under the circumstance ?!?!?!?

OF COURSE IT WAS THE OTHER GUYS FAULT !!!!!!!!!!

[_Maxi]

Was a biased piece. What else was should I have expected him, or ANY FIGHTER, to say under the circumstance ?!?!?!?

OF COURSE IT WAS THE OTHER GUYS FAULT !!!!!!!!!!

There's a Ward quote from 2013 posted here in which Ward says that he has little interest in 2013 because GGG's resume was weak and he needed to grow before they could fight. Which pretty much confirms that Ward was not interested in fighting GGG when the fight was proposed in 2013.

[Curtis Harper]

There's a Ward quote from 2013 posted here in which Ward says that he has little interest in 2013 because GGG's resume was weak and he needed to grow before they could fight. Which pretty much confirms that Ward was not interested in fighting GGG when the fight was proposed in 2013.

So the issue is who's bias a fight fan sides with

[_Maxi]

So the issue is who's bias a fight fan sides with

I think it's pretty simple. Golovkin wanted to be the best at MW and campaigned there for his whole career (he turned pro kind of late, at 26, otherwise he would have started at 147 or 154) and he would move up or down only if it made financial sense, like all boxers do. And that's it. At the beginning of 2013, a fight with Ward maybe made sense for him, because he hadn't even made a million yet. That changed in 2014.

[Curtis Harper]

I think it's pretty simple. Golovkin wanted to be the best at MW and campaigned there for his whole career (he turned pro kind of late, at 26, otherwise he would have started at 147 or 154) and he would move up or down only if it made financial sense, like all boxers do. And that's it. At the beginning of 2013, a fight with Ward maybe made sense for him, because he hadn't even made a million yet. That changed in 2014.

So he says.
Ward says GGG was a nobody.

Again, one picks a side ?!?!?!

Shame there isn't a 3rd, impartial side...AKA a contract that one side failed to sign (would be a start).

Talk in boring

[Boxing_1013]

Funny because in Dec '13, GGG himself put off the idea of fighting Ward: "First, I need the upcoming fight in February to be successful. I believe that I now have an excellent [strategic layout] for next year. And regarding the future, I'm hoping that a fight takes place with Ward, but now is not the time. The fight is [a] realistic [idea], but not right now," https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin...not-now--73235

The following month in January '14, Abel straight up said it was unfair to ask GGG to step up and fight the "king" of the 168 division because according to him GGG hadn't even separated himself from the pack at 160 or fully developed his "repertoire". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0ugadMjM9k @7:25 (Never mind that team GGG were the ones who said he'd face anyone between 154-168) GGG was nearly 32 years old at the time, had held a title since '10 with his team bragging about how he'd chase bigger men out of the gym and insisting he'd fight at 168, all while complaining about their lack of high profile fights, but somehow in the next minute they talk about him as if he were a mere prospect.

Team GGG would turn around and once again insist they would fight at 168, but this time emphasized against the likes of Chavez and Froch while specifically ruling out Ward citing a lack of financial incentive. Ward-GGG would have been legacy defining with the winner being elevated to next level stardom yet according to GGG it wasn't worthy of their time?-- and they'd continue making various excuses while apparently never seriously considering it.

Even putting the Ward fight aside: The thing about GGG is his legacy involves a lot of revisionism and mythmaking. He was hyped as a take on all comers fighter eager to prove himself when he's never been highly ambitious with his comfort zone being feasting against B level opposition.

lol..............

you just made this entire threat acting like he wanted smoke with Ward..stop it, just stop it...he never wanted that fight period

From Ward in 2013:

"As for me and Golovkin, look at my body of work. I'll fight anyone out there. But look at his body of work and look at mine. There is no comparison. I fought the last three years with no break. I've been in grind mode. Let him build up his resume, get a body of work first, then we can talk."

An honest person would say 'damn looks like Ward didn't want the fight with GGG at that time'...but you guys can keep doing whatever it is you guys do.

Caxcan...btw lol...your post is especially funny to me...you talk about GGG and anyone with a brain gives him at least 1 win vs Canelo, and I honestly don't see how anyone that is objective doesn't give GGG 2 clear Ws in those fights.

You champion a guy who wasn't as good in his prime as an old GGG, and disparage GGG lol...just honestly really funny to me man...but hey keep doing you my friend.

[Boxing_1013]

So he says.
Ward says GGG was a nobody.

Again, one picks a side ?!?!?!

Shame there isn't a 3rd, impartial side...AKA a contract that one side failed to sign (would be a start).

Talk in boring

From Ward in 2013:

"As for me and Golovkin, look at my body of work. I'll fight anyone out there. But look at his body of work and look at mine. There is no comparison. I fought the last three years with no break. I've been in grind mode. Let him build up his resume, get a body of work first, then we can talk."

I mean how can anyone possibly try and spin that into positive for Ward and negative for GGG...just makes no sense.

A decent person would just say - 'wow Ward didn't want to fight him in 2013, that is obvious...and he apparently acted like he wanted to fight him, but then in the next sentence said he didn't want to fight him yet and GGG needed to do more' lol...come on guys, the facts aren't entirely clear in this whole situation...but there are some clear enough parts, and they don't really shade GGG in a bad light...the more damaging stuff really is pretty clearly on Ward's end.

[Curtis Harper]

From Ward in 2013:

"As for me and Golovkin, look at my body of work. I'll fight anyone out there. But look at his body of work and look at mine. There is no comparison. I fought the last three years with no break. I've been in grind mode. Let him build up his resume, get a body of work first, then we can talk."

I mean how can anyone possibly try and spin that into positive for Ward and negative for GGG...just makes no sense.

A decent person would just say - 'wow Ward didn't want to fight him in 2013, that is obvious...and he apparently acted like he wanted to fight him, but then in the next sentence said he didn't want to fight him yet and GGG needed to do more' lol...come on guys, the facts aren't entirely clear in this whole situation...but there are some clear enough parts, and they don't really shade GGG in a bad light...the more damaging stuff really is pretty clearly on Ward's end.

Ward felt GGG was a waste of time. I don't sense a duck. You think Ward was scared ?

I'd be curious to read that whole article.

[Curtis Harper]

News flash !!!!

Everyone who has been called out has to fight that guy

[stealthradon]

Ggg - ' no, andre ward is too much for me'

so lets get this cleae, ggg fans read this as ' no, andre ward is too much for me to talk about' ?

wtf

Yes. What the fúck else do you think it means?
Listen to the context, look at his expression.
It's not filled with fear, it's filled with disgust.

As I have previously stated, I doubt either of us are fluent in Russian or Korean..
But if they have similar expression to Danish, it means something very different.
Saying "Han er for meget for mig" is almost a literal translation of "Andre Ward is too much for me". It however means something very different in Danish. It means that he is full of it.

If we do a Google Translate, yes yes, I know.
From Danish to Russian to English.

Han er for meget - Он слишком много - He is too much.

Only an idiot would misinterpret what he said. When in context, his expression, and what he later said, and given that he had almost no knowledge of English, as he used German when he was training in Germany.

It is almost the same in German. "Er ist zu viel" is translated into "it is too much".