What Happened to GOLOVKIN's Hype? Secret SNAC Transformation coming?

[kafkod]

This is all nuthuggery and semantics...

"Fact": WBC sanctioned 160lb lineal title championship match for Cotto at 159, 157, and 155.

What is confusing?

Nothing is confusing if you get your facts right, which you haven't done there.

First, the WBC don't sanction lineal title fights. They sanction WBC title fights and eliminators, that's all.

Second, Cotto did not fight for or defend the WBC title against Canelo at 155lbs. He was stripped of his title for refusing to pay the sanctioning fee. So, for Cotto, it wasn't a WBC title fight. Canelo was fighting for the WBC title, but Cotto wasn't.

Canelo fought Cotto for the vacant WBC title and he would still have won the vacant WBC title if he'd ignored the 155 catchweight and weighed in at 160lbs. That's because the official sanctioned weight for any MW title fight is always 160lbs.

If Daniel Geale had ignored the 157 catchweight agreement with Cotto and weighed in at 160lbs he would still have been fighting for the WBC title. That's because the official sanctioned weight for any middleweight title fight is always 160lbs.

Catchweights for title fights are separate contractual agreements between the 2 fighters and their teams. They are not the weight at which the fight is sanctioned.

[Shadoww702]

Yeah I agree Sergiy is a threat to anyone. Styles make fights and he had the right style and attitude to really take the fight to Golovkin. He was a tough match up for Jacobs and he would be for Canelo also since Canelo isn't a very mobile boxer. A slick mobile boxer against him would be interesting. Don't know how he would handle that.

Can’t argue with anything you said. 100% correct

[Shadoww702]

Nothing is confusing if you get your facts right, which you haven't done there.

First, the WBC don't sanction lineal title fights. They sanction WBC title fights and eliminators, that's all.

Second, Cotto did not fight for or defend the WBC title against Canelo at 155lbs. He was stripped of his title for refusing to pay the sanctioning fee. So, for Cotto, it wasn't a WBC title fight. Canelo was fighting for the WBC title, but Cotto wasn't.

Canelo fought Cotto for the vacant WBC title and he would still have won the vacant WBC title if he'd ignored the 155 catchweight and weighed in at 160lbs. That's because the official sanctioned weight for any MW title fight is always 160lbs.

If Daniel Geale had ignored the 157 catchweight agreement with Cotto and weighed in at 160lbs he would still have been fighting for the WBC title. That's because the official sanctioned weight for any middleweight title fight is always 160lbs.

Catchweights for title fights are separate contractual agreements between the 2 fighters and their teams. They are not the weight at which the fight is sanctioned.

You are correct. And the reason why Jacobs wasn’t allowed to fight for the belts both times...

[Sweet Scions]

Can’t argue with anything you said. 100% correct

"Can't argue" with any of that, yet blows a ****ing gasket any time someone cites the very same in suggesting how, say, Canelo-BJS could be a compelling match up. Lmfao

[Shadoww702]

"Can't argue" with any of that, yet blows a ****ing gasket any time someone cites the very same in suggesting how, say, Canelo-BJS could be a compelling match up. Lmfao

Is Saunders not a champ with no loses??

[Sweet Scions]

Is Saunders not a champ with no loses??

What I mean is that you conceeded just then that Canelo isn't the world's most mobile guy and could potentially be troubled (or mildly irritated, whatever) by some moving and dancing. I remember saying basically the same in defense of Canelo-BJS being a not-terrible fight awhile back and you reacted like I ran over your grandma with a monster truck or something.

[Shadoww702]

What I mean is that you conceeded just then that Canelo isn't the world's most mobile guy and could potentially be troubled (or mildly irritated, whatever) by some moving and dancing. I remember saying basically the same in defense of Canelo-BJS being a not-terrible fight awhile back and you reacted like I ran over your grandma with a monster truck or something.

Right now it’s not Murata.

This is the list

Saunders
Smith
Charlo

Yes! Charlo is back on the list. May 2nd in Vegas. So that probably takes Smith if the list...

CanCharlo!!!!

[Sweet Scions]

Right now it’s not Murata.

This is the list

Saunders
Smith
Charlo

Yes! Charlo is back on the list. May 2nd in Vegas. So that probably takes Smith if the list...

CanCharlo!!!!

Yeah, saw that. Can't say I'm sad. I understand the business aspect of Murata and I like him as a Japanese gentleman and all that, but I'd prefer just about any other of the other names tossed around. I reckon all present more of a challenge, on their best day at least. I agree on Canelo-Derev being solid too, though that's not on contention. I think that's a good fight bordering on great

[TonyGe]

Can’t argue with anything you said. 100% correct

I saw him against Jacobs and that was a real eye opener. Like you I was telling people prior to the Golovkin fight that he was no joke.

[UNBANNED]

Nothing is confusing if you get your facts right, which you haven't done there.

First, the WBC don't sanction lineal title fights. They sanction WBC title fights and eliminators, that's all.

Second, Cotto did not fight for or defend the WBC title against Canelo at 155lbs. He was stripped of his title for refusing to pay the sanctioning fee. So, for Cotto, it wasn't a WBC title fight. Canelo was fighting for the WBC title, but Cotto wasn't.

Canelo fought Cotto for the vacant WBC title and he would still have won the vacant WBC title if he'd ignored the 155 catchweight and weighed in at 160lbs. That's because the official sanctioned weight for any MW title fight is always 160lbs.

If Daniel Geale had ignored the 157 catchweight agreement with Cotto and weighed in at 160lbs he would still have been fighting for the WBC title. That's because the official sanctioned weight for any middleweight title fight is always 160lbs.

Catchweights for title fights are separate contractual agreements between the 2 fighters and their teams. They are not the weight at which the fight is sanctioned.

I mean this is simply wrong. If fighters dont make contracted catchweights then the fights are subject to cancellation.

Fighters dont get stripped unless the fight happens.

If GGG had the balls to fight Ward at 164 and Ward came in as a CHAMPION at 168. GGG would cancel the fight and neither guy would be stripped...because the fight DIDN'T HAPPEN.

What would happen is both guys and their promoters would be out a LOT of money from training fees, trainer fee, nutrition, security, press conferences, marketing, commercials, interview air time, POV advertising, sparring partners, etc.

That is why 99/100 fighters MAKE WEIGHT for contracted catchweights. That is also why Danny Jacobs has INSURANCE in case he had to cancel the JCC Jr. fight so he would recoup ALL of his expenses

And EVERY sanctioning org and ALL their BELTS do whatever the A side says. That is why the create belts for Floyd, Manny, Canelo, Cotto, etc...because the A side is above the rules.

Get your facts straight