Anthony Joshua asked a question.........

[Zelda]

So can anybody tell Anthony Joshua why he should be giving 50-50 to Wilder whose last fight bombed big time, Or Fury whose numbers were even worse than Wilders?

Because a Joshua vs Wilder/Fury fight will be orders of magnitude bigger than Joshua vs anyone else at this point. And the same is true vice versa for Wilder/Fury. To make big money, they both need each other.

Secondly, because neither Wilder nor Fury (whoever is the winner) will agree to anything less than that. At that level, money is important but so is ego and positioning. If Wilder or Fury agree to a less than 50% share, I think they would have mentally lost the fight before it even begins.

And thirdly, Joshua is popular right now..no doubt about it. His upset against Ruiz has given him another 2-3 commercial fights but unless he fights big again soon, no popularity or success if guaranteed in this business. Besides, who's to say AJ or Wilder won't be beaten (again) and the value of the fight will decrease.

[DaNeutral.]

Because a Joshua vs Wilder/Fury fight will be orders of magnitude bigger than Joshua vs anyone else at this point. And the same is true vice versa for Wilder/Fury. To make big money, they both need each other.

Secondly, because neither Wilder nor Fury (whoever is the winner) will agree to anything less than that. At that level, money is important but so is ego and positioning. If Wilder or Fury agree to a less than 50% share, I think they would have mentally lost the fight before it even begins.

And thirdly, Joshua is popular right now..no doubt about it. His upset against Ruiz has given him another 2-3 commercial fights but unless he fights big again soon, no popularity or success if guaranteed in this business. Besides, who's to say AJ or Wilder won't be beaten (again) and the value of the fight will decrease.

So lets say the Joshua v Wilder fight makes the fighters 100 million each. Joshua made 80 in his last fight, Wilder made 20. So this fight is a mark up for both fighters cuz of the magnitude of the fight. (We wont even take in to account the fact that Wilder may of got paid 20 but the whole card didnt generate that money. It bombed.

Wilder makes 80 million more than he did in the fight before.
Joshua makes 20 million more than he did in the fight before.

Yes this fight may be massive but at 50-50 its only massive for one of them. That would be fine if they were both doing similar numbers now but we all know they are miles apart.

[Zelda]

So lets say the Joshua v Wilder fight makes the fighters 100 million each. Joshua made 80 in his last fight, Wilder made 20. So this fight is a mark up for both fighters cuz of the magnitude of the fight. (We wont even take in to account the fact that Wilder may of got paid 20 but the whole card didnt generate that money. It bombed.

Wilder makes 80 million more than he did in the fight before.
Joshua makes 20 million more than he did in the fight before.

Yes this fight may be massive but at 50-50 its only massive for one of them. That would be fine if they were both doing similar numbers now but we all know they are miles apart.

To start with, I recall AJ himself denying the 80 rumor. But even if that is true, is he getting the same money again? Is anything willing to pay him 80 vs Pulev? Are the Saudis going to pay crazy money each time? May be, but certainly not for Pulev. Assuming he got that money, it is because they had Andy in a contractual rematch. If Andy were free of the rematch clause, he would have taken those 80 to agree to a rematch clause.

So, it is not what money was generated in the past...it is what your next fight will bring you vs what a Wilder/Fury fight will bring you. In economics terms, its cost vs opportunity cost.

If AJ feels he will generate near same money as vs Wilder, he won't be talking about Wilder or Fury at this time. He would be telling us how great Joshua vs Pulev will be.

[DaNeutral.]

To start with, I recall AJ himself denying the 80 rumor. But even if that is true, is he getting the same money again? Is anything willing to pay him 80 vs Pulev? Are the Saudis going to pay crazy money each time? May be, but certainly not for Pulev. Assuming he got that money, it is because they had Andy in a contractual rematch. If Andy were free of the rematch clause, he would have taken those 80 to agree to a rematch clause.

So, it is not what money was generated in the past...it is what your next fight will bring you vs what a Wilder/Fury fight will bring you. In economics terms, its cost vs opportunity cost.

If AJ feels he will generate near same money as vs Wilder, he won't be talking about Wilder or Fury at this time. He would be telling us how great Joshua vs Pulev will be.

So you denying Joshua earns way more money on a fight to fight basis than Wilder does? We all know what A side means. Deontay just has too big of an ego to be a B side. if Wilder accepted 45% it would be more than fair.

And im still to see where people are convinced this fight is so big in the States. Fight after fight we see Wilders numbers being nothing special and time after time we see Joshua breaking records in the UK. We also get told nobody cares for or even knows Joshua in the US but this is massive fight?

[DaNeutral.]

Well lots of interesting reading through all this. All i can gain from this is no matter how clear an A side Anthony Joshua is over Deontay Wilder the Wilder fans and the Joshua haters want to scrap A sides, just this once, just cuz its Joshua. They are ready to back the next American A side but right now its on hold.

Reasons like "BELTS AINT WORTH SHEET" "FAT MIDGET THIS" "FAT MIDGET THAT" aint really doing it. Salty crap is all it is. Joshua remains the A side and deserves a bigger split. I expect them to offer 50% anyway just to try get it over the line but Wilders definitely not worth 50 and i doubt Wilder would accept it anyway.

[Zelda]

So you denying Joshua earns way more money on a fight to fight basis than Wilder does? We all know what A side means. Deontay just has too big of an ego to be a B side. if Wilder accepted 45% it would be more than fair.

No, don't put words in my mouth. Btw, why are you so interested in what other people make? I honestly won't care much.

My only interest is to see the fight and I don't think it will happen unless it is 50-50. So, it is weird for me to hear one day Eddie saying they will probably go for 50-50, and next day AJ saying he deserves 70. Make up your mind already..are you willing to give 50-50, then don't retract. If you aren't, then stop mentioning Wilder/Fury name so we know it isn't happening.

And im still to see where people are convinced this fight is so big in the States. Fight after fight we see Wilders numbers being nothing special and time after time we see Joshua breaking records in the UK. We also get told nobody cares for or even knows Joshua in the US but this is massive fight?

Why, then, did Joshua launch his US debut?

Btw, I never said it should be in the US. It probably will be in overseas (neither US nor UK) because they are willing to invest.

[champion4ever]

Fury plans on fighting Joshua when he’s done with Wilder.

Which is true for the right fee. However, he has to win the rematch against Wilder first in order to gain some leverage against Anthony Joshua at the bargaining table.

[emceetns]

Does anybody know the answer to it?

The question was what makes Wilder or Fury worth a 50-50 split against Joshua. Joshua knows hes the sports cash cow right now, he knows his numbers are dwarfing the likes of Wilder, Fury or any Heavy in the division, or any Boxer from any division apart from Canelo. He understands that he may have to dish out 50-50 to get these fights but he cant figure out why some people think both those guys are deserving or worth 50%

The stats, the facts and the figures show us that Joshua is the 2nd biggest cash cow in the sport behind Canelo. Those 2 are fighting on a whole higher level than any other fighter in the sport. Canelo isnt dishing out 50-50 to anybody and nobody is even complaining about it. Nobody complained when Money Floyd wasnt giving 50-50 in any of his fights when he was the cash cow either. I can go on and name cash cow after cash cow never giving 50-50 to their opposition.

So can anybody tell Anthony Joshua why he should be giving 50-50 to Wilder whose last fight bombed big time, Or Fury whose numbers were even worse than Wilders?

If Joshua is thinking strictly like an "employer" (A-side) who doubts whether two potential "employees" (opponents in Wilder and Fury) are deserving of a certain "salary" (50/50 purse split) then I get it. The numbers do indeed support a different split.

However, if Joshua truly wants to be the man in the division then he will do what it takes to get his main competition in the ring. For example, if there is a 200 million dollar pot then 100 million is a lot of money to turn down just because you don't wanna see your opponent get the same amount.

Lastly, if Joshua just wants to keep all the money then he can just fight the best available fighters who are willing to let him keep 80-90% of the pot.

The question is, what are fans more concerned about? Joshua's pockets (even though AJ's money doesn't affect me one way or the other) or about seeing the best fights? I care more about the latter.

[Larry the boss]

Man I dont care about any of that...guy had a horrible year last year and needs to fight the winner of these 2 plain and simple

[champion4ever]

That’s lie .

Wilder xxx
Joshua for undisputed

Are Furys next opponents .

Is that a fact? Well here's some information I found about Anthony Joshua concerning his role in the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy.

In it, Shelly Finkel has told Anthony Joshua not to bother with a Deontay Wilder offer while he's doing business with Tyson Fury. Personally, I don't think Shelly likes those guys. Read the following article below from World Boxing News

[SIZE="3"][B][I][B][I][I]Shelly Finkel Deontay Wilder �� Amanda Westcott Anthony Joshua has been warned not to bother making an attempt to break a trilogy of fights between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. The unified heavyweight champion made a startling statement in a recent admission to Sky Sports in the UK. Joshua shockingly stated he would ask Wilder to default on a contracted deal with Fury to battle a third time later this year. Intending to offer a huge purse if Wilder wins against Fury next month, Joshua made his plans clear. “We had (a) meeting to potentially put an offer in to solidify (fighting Wilder) before they have even had their fight. And before I have my next fight,” he told Sky Sports News. “Everyone wants Wilder to win because (vs me) is what everyone wants to see. Wilder has a great right hand. I have a great left hand. It is a great boxing match. We had a meeting about that. It has great potential. I heard have a third fight lined up towards the end of the year. But we have to throw a curveball in there. “Something that gets Wilder’s attention providing he wins so that he thinks to himself: ‘Even though I have a rematch clause, I’ll see how I can manipulate my contract, get out of it, and fight for the undisputed championship’.” WBN then put this to Wilder’s co-manager, Shelly Finkel. The former Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield advisor told Joshua where to go in no uncertain terms. “I don’t know what Anthony Joshua is talking about,” Finkel exclusively told World Boxing News. “We are not interested in any offer. “Deontay’s and our focus is on Tyson Fury. At this moment, we are not focusing on anything else.” PAY-PER-VIEW Finkel’s words mean Wilder will see through his agreement with Fury to give the loser of their Las Vegas showdown first refusal on the next installment. The only hope AJ has of a Wilder clash would be if Fury wins and the American decides against taking the stipulation in the contract. If Pay-Per-View numbers get anywhere near Bob Arum’s projections for the rematch, though, it would take an enormous amount of money for that third fight not to take place. Arum believes up to two million buys are possible for the mouth-watering MGM collision.