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  • QueensburyRules
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    #11
    Originally posted by Code Red
    I'm watching boxing at the moment and trying to figure out why it seems these guys can't land clean punches. It makes me realize why a guy like Floyd went undefeated. As a viewer or judge you didn't have to guess if Floyd landed a punch or not, his shots where always clean, sharp, and precise. Even if he didn't throw a lot of punches in a round when they landed it was clear and obvious.

    If you consider a fighter like Shawn Porter he is always in close debatable fights and in my opinion it's largely because he hardly throws or land clean punches. It's always sloppy, messy, and laborious. I'd love to see fighters and pundits who comment on Floyd not just study his defense but the way he threw and landed clean punches and combinations.

    I believe it is easy for judges to score fights in Floyd's favor, his punching technique is masterful, he makes it clear that his punches are scoring blows, why do so many fighters seem to lack this skill?
    - - U like touches while traditional fans like punches.

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    • ruedboy
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      #12
      Mayweather's focus was always defense.You could see Floyd almost get embarrassed if the other fighter hit him clean. Defense means Floyd was on his back foot most of the time, taking power away from Floyd's punches and leading to a lack of ko's and kdn's. Floyd hit hard enough to keep his opponent off him but his focus was always taking away the other fighter's offensive game.

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      • Dip_Slide
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        #13
        Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
        Amateurs use 10 point must these days, man. Have done since '13 I think. The point still stands for the current crop as most of 'em were trained and had all or most of their ammy careers under the old system, but it'll be interesting to see if the styles have changed any with the new guys coming through.

        That said I'm not sure how much I agree anyways, I'm trying to think which of the top ammys have been shoeshiners? There's maybe Shakur right now, but when I'm thinking of the EEs and Cubans whilst they vary in style I'm thinking mainly of sharpshooters and heavy handed pressure guys or something in between.

        Which guys were you thinking of in particular or were you thinking maybe more historically?
        I was watching the nationals on youtube the other day because I wanted to check out the guy Floyd just signed, I think his name is Jaleel something. The best way to describe the fights I saw was them being 1 long flurry from beginning to the end, none of the kids were setting anything up or sitting down on any punches. That's just 1 example. Go watch these fights, also Gervonta Davis, etc... and you'll understand what I mean.

        International level Amateurs are different and much more polished, most are actually grown men who have more experience, still they don't fight like pros sn3d most don't reach the top as pros especially if they fought amateur too long, for example the EEs have a relatively offensive style that relies on pressure and volume and angles, very good in the amateurs (old system) to touch your opponent more than he touches you, for that you throw a lot but also miss a lot, not god for 12 rds, the Cubans are on average the closest to being sharpshooters, but they tend to have problems keeping up their witts, smarts and sharpness for 12 rounds, also fighters fighting as amateurs too long, where heart and grit isn't a big factor like in long greuling pro fights, they don't do well in tough fights, especially if they fought too long as Amateurs and turned pro late.

        Floyd wasn't any legendary amateur and out of the '96 team, not too mamy people expected him to perform as good as he did in the pros because he had difficuties in the amateurs, but what these people didn't understand was that Floyd studied pros and fought a high pace pro style in the amateurs which was good but not extraordinary, had he focused his formative years on being a better amateur with some amateur boxing trainer, he wouldn't have been the pro he later became.

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        • alexguiness
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          #14
          Floyd had perfect timing.

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          • Lomadeaux
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            #15
            Originally posted by Code Red
            Watching Loma is nice, would be nicer if he fought better competition but I'd prefer an influx of sharper punchers in the sport. To me that's what makes the P4P types stand out, these days P4P is rarely mentioned, no fighter is separating themselves from the pack.
            So, whipping Russell, stopping Walters, Rigondeaux, Linares, about to defeat Lopez and become undisputed, fighting for and defending a world title all but 1 fight in his career is him not fighting tough competition?

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              #16
              Originally posted by ruedboy
              Mayweather's focus was always defense.You could see Floyd almost get embarrassed if the other fighter hit him clean. Defense means Floyd was on his back foot most of the time, taking power away from Floyd's punches and leading to a lack of ko's and kdn's. Floyd hit hard enough to keep his opponent off him but his focus was always taking away the other fighter's offensive game.
              He also stopped a lot of champions.

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              • Scopedog
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                I think there's a couple of main reasons for this in Floyd's case - firstly he was a master of drawing out the kind of punch he wanted from his opponents, which made it a lot easier for him to pick the right counters. He used feints and changing levels to screw with his opponent's defensive predictions, making it easier for him to land undefended shots. His jab was most often used a tool to obscure the opponent's vision and measure the range for accurate shots. Also, his use of grappling and forearms in close quarters was often done in a way that he could control the positioning of his opponent's head and hands and guide them into the path of his punches - something which is obviously against the letter of the law but was one of the most effective and underappreciated cornerstones of his game.

                Lee Wylie did a very good video that covered these aspects and more a few years back.

                https://********/hmdJXCBU068

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                • Lomadeaux
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules
                  - - U like touches while traditional fans like punches.
                  [IMG]https://media3.*****.com/media/l3JpEpk6a5Hl6/source.gif[/IMG]



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                  • Code Red
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Lomadeaux
                    So, whipping Russell, stopping Walters, Rigondeaux, Linares, about to defeat Lopez and become undisputed, fighting for and defending a world title all but 1 fight in his career is him not fighting tough competition?
                    Like I stated, I like Loma he just not in a glamour division at the moment. Those are good names but it's not spectacular. I'd consider Russell the best competition on that list. Rigo was way too small.

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                    • Code Red
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Lomadeaux
                      [IMG]https://media3.*****.com/media/l3JpEpk6a5Hl6/source.gif[/IMG]



                      That's what I mean with those gifs, not many fighters land that clearly, obviously, and effectively, it's like a lost art.

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