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  • Legends456
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    Fury: separating fact from fiction

    Fury just seems to get more wacky with each press conference and sound byte he does. Which leaves me wondering how much of his recent talk of strategies in the rematch with Wilder is just a bunch of bs, and how much of it is basically true.

    First of all, do you think that Fury really is not taking any shots in sparring to the face and head? I know he had a deep cut and everything, but it just seems like only taking shots to the body will not prepare him enough for a fight with Wilder, who is almost exclusively a head-hunting KO artist, and a very talented one at that.

    As for one of his other comments, I think he may actually be serious about training for the KO vs. Wilder rather than fighting defensively like last time, but I want to know your thoughts. Mike McCallum I recall said something similar when he felt the power of a famous puncher (was it G-Man?) that he knew right away that he had to GET HIM OUT OF THERE or it was not going to end well for him. I think Fury knows he probably won’t avoid Wilder’s right hand for 12 more rounds and knows he has a better chance at the W if he can avoid Wilder for several rounds and get him out of there. Some may say this is risky, and it is, but the reason I think Fury may be right in taking this approach is because when you watch the first fight, you can see that Fury took both KD’s while MOVING AWAY from Wilder, and seemed to fare better when going on the attack. Granted, he didn’t have Wilder hurt in my opinion at any point in the fight (Wilder has a great chin and it will take a much better puncher to hurt him bad), but there were definitely some combinations and single punches by Fury — slaps, really — that seemed to surprise Wilder, take the impetus away from him, and just really make him look confused. Pardon my language here, but at certain parts of the first fight Fury looked like he was b*tch slapping the hell out of Wilder. Wilder had the last laugh in my opinion with the two thunderous KD’s though and Fury has to find a way to shorten their rematch. If he can land a sufficiently one-sided barrage of punches, especially if he can open up some good cuts and shiners over Wilder’s eyes, even he may be able to get the TKO stoppage, similar to what he did against The Schwaz.

    Finally, I don’t see Fury standing in the center of the ring and exchanging with Wilder even though he says he will. We already know from the first fight that Fury doesn’t have the chin to stay on his feet when taking Wilder’s best. Only fighter I’ve ever seen of this generation take Wilder’s best right hand and stay on his feet was Johann Duhaupas (who has a granite chin to begin with), but he still got TKO’d in the following barrage and his face looked a mess. I doubt many others could take the right hand and stay standing — even of those who haven’t faced Wilder, although my money would be on Ruiz and possibly Pulev. That said, if Fury wants to win, he can’t get into any ****** exchanges with Wilder, he has to lean on him, cut off his blood flow and oxygen, take away his angles, and finally, attack him with barrages that break his rhythm and timing. That is because, when it comes to Wilder’s KO’s, timing is EVERYTHING. All 40 of them. And mark my words — the FIRST fighter to successfully break Wilder’s RHYTHM will break HIM.

    IMO, it will NOT be Fury. It will be either Usyk (who I have winin by decision) or Dubois (who I have knocking him the spark out).

    Everyone else loses or draws with Wilder.

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by Legends456; 01-21-2020, 02:46 PM.
  • Richard
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    I still feel Fury has it within him to beat Wilder.He has the skills but the key for me is the mental side .Just look at the way he got up from that 12th round punch in the first fight and in Furys own words was gassing late on.Hence he wasnt 100% for that first fight.It was only the failed Joshua/Wilder negotiations that paved the way for the first Fury/Wilder fight despite Fury being in recovery mode from being over 26 stone in weight and bouncing back from dealing with mental demons brought on in part by his bi polar disorder.

    Canelo Alvarez recently alluded to the importance of mentality in a recent twitter post."Train the mind as well as the body".

    Hence I know Iam stating the obvious but it shows Fury has tremendous heart and this is something that cannot be learnt. Ive just finished reading Furys book and I like how he claims it was God that inspired him in that 12th round which served as a lesson to all those people out there no matter how tough it may seem there is always hope and you can turn it around as shown in his first fight with Wilder.

    Having said that like you have pointed out Fury may waffle a bit.Hence claimed he was training with Connor McGregor but later transpired he wasnt.


    Hence in sport the mind I feel is more important than the body .Naseem Hamed once said loosely the same eg "once you beat a person in the mind you've beaten them".

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      Originally posted by Ricky12
      I still feel Fury has it within him to beat Wilder.He has the skills but the key for me is the mental side .Just look at the way he got up from that 12th round punch in the first fight and in Furys own words was gassing late on.Hence he wasnt 100% for that first fight.It was only the failed Joshua/Wilder negotiations that paved the way for the first Fury/Wilder fight despite Fury being in recovery mode from being over 26 stone in weight and bouncing back from dealing with mental demons brought on in part by his bi polar disorder.

      Canelo Alvarez recently alluded to the importance of mentality in a recent twitter post."Train the mind as well as the body".

      Hence I know Iam stating the obvious but it shows Fury has tremendous heart and this is something that cannot be learnt. Ive just finished reading Furys book and I like how he claims it was God that inspired him in that 12th round which served as a lesson to all those people out there no matter how tough it may seem there is always hope and you can turn it around as shown in his first fight with Wilder.

      Having said that like you have pointed out Fury may waffle a bit.Hence claimed he was training with Connor McGregor but later transpired he wasnt.


      Hence in sport the mind I feel is more important than the body .Naseem Hamed once said loosely the same eg "once you beat a person in the mind you've beaten them".
      Thanks for the great reply, I enjoyed reading it. I should pick up that book at my local library, it sounds like it would be a good read.

      How do you think Fury looks right now, mentally and physically, leading into this fight?

      As I recall, he has stated he wants to add a bit of weight for the rematch, but he still looked a bit flabby to me in the first fight so I’m wondering how that will look to have a heavier Fury. His belly doesn’t seem especially trim and I’m hoping for his sake this isn’t going to be Andy Ruiz’ mistake all over again. Maybe it’s genetic though, as I am the same way as Fury even times of my life when I’m running everyday and have great cardio, I’ve always had a loose midsection. Probably the best thing for him is this time around, he’s not coming off such a drastic weight loss which is probably what caused him to “gas out” the first time, like you alluded to in your post.

      Do you think he’ll be in better physical shape and able to handle the pace better this time around?

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      • soul_survivor
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        Fury talks rubbish, do you think this is the first time he has talked about training for a KO? No it isn't.

        Fury is going to go in there and do what he always does. This time he may get caught and not get back up.

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          #5
          Originally posted by soul_survivor
          Fury talks rubbish, do you think this is the first time he has talked about training for a KO? No it isn't.

          Fury is going to go in there and do what he always does. This time he may get caught and not get back up.
          Yeah, that’s true — he said in his own words before the first fight that he was going to “knock [Wilder] the {truck} out” he always says that and he never really knocks people out except for those slapping barrages that leave them cut up and unable to answer, and the ref waves it off. Not exactly my first thought when I think of a knockout artist...

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            Originally posted by Ricky12
            I still feel Fury has it within him to beat Wilder.He has the skills but the key for me is the mental side .Just look at the way he got up from that 12th round punch in the first fight and in Furys own words was gassing late on.Hence he wasnt 100% for that first fight.It was only the failed Joshua/Wilder negotiations that paved the way for the first Fury/Wilder fight despite Fury being in recovery mode from being over 26 stone in weight and bouncing back from dealing with mental demons brought on in part by his bi polar disorder.

            Canelo Alvarez recently alluded to the importance of mentality in a recent twitter post."Train the mind as well as the body".

            Hence I know Iam stating the obvious but it shows Fury has tremendous heart and this is something that cannot be learnt. Ive just finished reading Furys book and I like how he claims it was God that inspired him in that 12th round which served as a lesson to all those people out there no matter how tough it may seem there is always hope and you can turn it around as shown in his first fight with Wilder.

            Having said that like you have pointed out Fury may waffle a bit.Hence claimed he was training with Connor McGregor but later transpired he wasnt.


            Hence in sport the mind I feel is more important than the body .Naseem Hamed once said loosely the same eg "once you beat a person in the mind you've beaten them".
            Nice post. green k sent

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            • Richard
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              #7
              Originally posted by Legends456

              How do you think Fury looks right now, mentally and physically, leading into this fight?
              From reading his book Fury admits to in the past eating to much in between fights but seems to have turned a corner now after almost committing suicide. As you maybe aware If it wasnt for children and his faith in his eyes would not be here.

              I feel Fury has more passion and love for the sport though compared to his friend Ricky Hatton .Hence I dont believe he is as indisciplined as him.Hence Fury even admitted that following his transformation eg apparently got down on his knees and prayed to God and shed a lot of tears something changed in him.Hence admitted he doesnt feel the urge to go back to eating in between fights and wants to stay fit which is a good sign.

              I feel Fury is the best he has been for a long time both mentally and physically and we may even see a better Fury than we did against Klitschko.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Zaroku
                Nice post. green k sent
                Thanks my friend.As a deeply religious person myself I can relate to Furys stance on faith and God and overcoming barriers in life.

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                • SinderellaMan
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                  I think Wilder catches him early this time. Paws behind the jab, stays patient, and most importantly, Fury can't get in his head like the 1st fight.
                  If the rematch was immediate, I would say Fury.
                  The Wilder I saw vs Brazeale and Ortiz was much more relaxed and focused.
                  This is Wilder's shot at lineal, Ring, and breaking another record.
                  Fury has too many distractions this time but the man is just bringing multiple revenue streams to feed his family.
                  Respect to both guys!!!
                  And great thread brother!!

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                  • Legends456
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                    Originally posted by Ricky12
                    From reading his book Fury admits to in the past eating to much in between fights but seems to have turned a corner now after almost committing suicide. As you maybe aware If it wasnt for children and his faith in his eyes would not be here.

                    I feel Fury has more passion and love for the sport though compared to his friend Ricky Hatton .Hence I dont believe he is as indisciplined as him.Hence Fury even admitted that following his transformation eg apparently got down on his knees and prayed to God and shed a lot of tears something changed in him.Hence admitted he doesnt feel the urge to go back to eating in between fights and wants to stay fit which is a good sign.

                    I feel Fury is the best he has been for a long time both mentally and physically and we may even see a better Fury than we did against Klitschko.
                    That’s cool. I know I give Fury some schtick on here for his crazy comments and stuff and I also think his skill and resume are sometimes a bit overrated, but I want to go on record that I have nothing but respect for him as an individual and for all he’s come through. I also like how he’s always been proud to represent his Gypsy culture. And as a Christian myself, I also appreciate that he speaks well of Jesus Christ.

                    Whatever happens in the rest of his boxing career, I hope he manages to stay in a good place mentally and have a long, full life with his family and good physical health as well.

                    Thanks again for your great contributions to this thread — cheers.

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