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  • QueensburyRules
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    #21
    Originally posted by Mikeh333
    Based on some career highlights, we may be able to make some observations concerning Canelo’s possible use of steroids, growth hormone, or other PEDs.

    See a video below that is a quick retrospective of Canelo’s career. It does not include the Kovalev fight.

    https://*************/watch?v=nxBldlDL5S8

    Here are the Kovalev fight highlights.

    https://*************/watch?v=qjsU5876iB0&t=12s

    Here are a few observations. This is not intended to be definitive, or the final word.

    1. Canelo appears to take punches better now than he did at super welterweight. See the fight against J. Cotto at 154 - Canelo was very nearly knocked out. Yet Canelo was hit plenty by GGG, and never came close to getting knocked out. Kovalev and Danny Jacob hardly seemed to rattle him. Both fighters hit far harder than Cotto, I’m sure.

    2. Canelo’s power is the same, if not increased, at higher weight classes. He knocked people out at 154, and he knocks them out at 160, 168, and 175. This seems very unusual in any fighter.

    3. To my eye, Canelo appears at least as lean, if not more lean, at 175 as he was at 154. I leave room for some sort of major overhaul in his diet over the past 7-8 years. Perhaps as a young man he ate foods he was allergic to, or that caused him inflammation. If he is free of those foods, it is conceivable, I suppose, that he was able to put on more muscle with little to no fat. But it would be unusual to say the least. Roy Jones Jr definitely carried a little more fat at HW than he did at SMW and LHW.

    Similarly, it is possible that Canelo appears to take and deliver punches better now because he is a better fighter, more elusive, throws from more advantageous angles, etc. He started very young, and grew and improved over time.

    I’ll repeat, this I not a definitive answer. Nor can it be completely objective. But there is room for discussion here.

    I look forward to your thoughts!
    - -U mean U Blind eye crossed with the one U can't see with?

    Why U on steroids?

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    • Mikeh333
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      #22
      Originally posted by UNBANNED
      No fat at all?

      So Floyd, Manny, Bradley, Klitschko, JMM, Sexy Sergio, and every other fighter with no fat at all must be JUICED TO THE GILLS.

      CTFU...

      BIGPOPPAPUMP where u at kid
      If Mayweather has done what Pacquiao did, and move upright weight classes, while remaining shredded with good power, I’d be su****ious of him too. But that didn’t happen. Mayweather’s ceiling was clearly welterweight, and he stopped knocking people out at that weight, other than Rickey Hatton, who practically begged for it.

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      • Snowballer
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        #23
        Canelo has a lot of people shook lol

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        • pasawayako
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          #24
          Canelo was already proven that he was a PED cheater that's why he got banned..

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            #25
            Originally posted by Mikeh333
            If Mayweather has done what Pacquiao did, and move upright weight classes, while remaining shredded with good power, I’d be su****ious of him too. But that didn’t happen. Mayweather’s ceiling was clearly welterweight, and he stopped knocking people out at that weight, other than Rickey Hatton, who practically begged for it.
            Canelo hasn't KOd anyone since JMW...what are you talking about?

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            • QueensburyRules
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              #26
              Originally posted by pasawayako
              Canelo was already proven that he was a PED cheater that's why he got banned..
              - -Ok, U canned yesterday and U mad!!!

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              • Mikeh333
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                #27
                Originally posted by UNBANNED
                Canelo hasn't KOd anyone since JMW...what are you talking about?
                Not sure I understand - Canelo knocked out Khan, Fielding, and Kovalev. That was at middleweight, super middleweight, and light heavyweight, respectively.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Mikeh333
                  Not sure I understand - Canelo knocked out Khan, Fielding, and Kovalev. That was at middleweight, super middleweight, and light heavyweight, respectively.
                  Khan was at 155 pounds and he gets knocked out all the time. Fielding had already been stopped and was very, very clearly outmatched.

                  Kovalev is tricky because clearly it WASNT Canelos power as he couldnt seriously hurt Jacobs or GGG in 36 rounds. The KO was absolutely real though. There are speculations that Kovalev threw the fight, but the actual KO was definitely real.

                  My best guess Kovalev was over-trained. Nothing was right from the first round. Jab was fluid and not stiff and he hardly threw any rights with pop. He just didnt look like himself and was overly cautious defensively. Maybe he was hurt during sparring?? I dont know and I'm a Canelo fan...that fight was just off though. Not to take anything away from Canelo, but I think the result had more to do with Kovalev being overtrained, hurt in sparring, or just shot than it did Canelo being great.

                  So Canelos power has not increased at all in his career. Hes never been a 1 punch KO guy except when strategically matched against chinny fighters (Khan and Kirkland), but his power is demonstrated in accumulation via late stoppages (Kovalev, Angulo, Liam Smith)

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                  • Mikeh333
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by UNBANNED
                    Khan was at 155 pounds and he gets knocked out all the time. Fielding had already been stopped and was very, very clearly outmatched.

                    Kovalev is tricky because clearly it WASNT Canelos power as he couldnt seriously hurt Jacobs or GGG in 36 rounds. The KO was absolutely real though. There are speculations that Kovalev threw the fight, but the actual KO was definitely real.

                    My best guess Kovalev was over-trained. Nothing was right from the first round. Jab was fluid and not stiff and he hardly threw any rights with pop. He just didnt look like himself and was overly cautious defensively. Maybe he was hurt during sparring?? I dont know and I'm a Canelo fan...that fight was just off though. Not to take anything away from Canelo, but I think the result had more to do with Kovalev being overtrained, hurt in sparring, or just shot than it did Canelo being great.

                    So Canelos power has not increased at all in his career. Hes never been a 1 punch KO guy except when strategically matched against chinny fighters (Khan and Kirkland), but his power is demonstrated in accumulation via late stoppages (Kovalev, Angulo, Liam Smith)
                    I don’t know - Canelo’s fist smashed into Kovalev’s face, he was concussed and went down on his keyster. I mean, Andre Ward spent most of his career at SMW and LHW, and his stoppage of Kovalev was not as decisive.

                    I’m just saying it’s worth discussing. I can’t see in Canelo’s body or his camp. But it’s weird for a guy to hold his power over that much weight gain.

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                    • Silence
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                      #30
                      Canelo is a brutal combination of natural talent, hard work and PEDs. Just like most of the ATGs.

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