Canelo and Steroids?

[Bob Haymon]

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Based on some career highlights, we may be able to make some observations concerning Canelo’s possible use of steroids, growth hormone, or other PEDs.

See a video below that is a quick retrospective of Canelo’s career. It does not include the Kovalev fight.

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Here are the Kovalev fight highlights.

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Here are a few observations. This is not intended to be definitive, or the final word.

1. Canelo appears to take punches better now than he did at super welterweight. See the fight against J. Cotto at 154 - Canelo was very nearly knocked out. Yet Canelo was hit plenty by GGG, and never came close to getting knocked out. Kovalev and Danny Jacob hardly seemed to rattle him. Both fighters hit far harder than Cotto, I’m sure.

2. Canelo’s power is the same, if not increased, at higher weight classes. He knocked people out at 154, and he knocks them out at 160, 168, and 175. This seems very unusual in any fighter.

3. To my eye, Canelo appears at least as lean, if not more lean, at 175 as he was at 154. I leave room for some sort of major overhaul in his diet over the past 7-8 years. Perhaps as a young man he ate foods he was allergic to, or that caused him inflammation. If he is free of those foods, it is conceivable, I suppose, that he was able to put on more muscle with little to no fat. But it would be unusual to say the least. Roy Jones Jr definitely carried a little more fat at HW than he did at SMW and LHW.

Similarly, it is possible that Canelo appears to take and deliver punches better now because he is a better fighter, more elusive, throws from more advantageous angles, etc. He started very young, and grew and improved over time.

I’ll repeat, this I not a definitive answer. Nor can it be completely objective. But there is room for discussion here.

I look forward to your thoughts!

I disagree with a lot of what you just said. When Canelo was hurt by Cotto he was a teenager and the fight was at 147 not 154. He was not nearly KOed and he never went down and quickly turned the fight around into a KO win for himself. Nobody has badly hurt Canelo since then. As he grew into 154 and 160 his chin got better than ever. There is nothing really unusual about a man taking punches better than when he was a teenager. Canelo was NOT leaner at 175 than he was at 154. You are just wrong on that. When he fought at 154 and even later when he fought GGG he was always very lean without any extra fat. When he fought Kovalev you could see a bit of fat around his middle. He was not all that lean and he is not a full sized light heavyweight. Canelo is 29 years old and his growing days are over. He has outgrown 160 and I am sure we will never see him fight at 160 again. He will not grow into a full light heavyweight either and his fight at 175 was for old Kovalev only. We won't see him fight at 175 again and quickly vacated his 175 pound title. That means Canelo is now a natural perfect 168 pound boxer and that is the weight all his future fights will be at in my opinion. I am sure his next fight will be with Billy Joe Saunders who has not looked very good at all since his last good fight against Lemieux over 2 years ago. Unless Saunders can regain the speed, skill and stamina he showed in the Lemieux fight I think he has no chance to beat Canelo and will probably get KOed. Saunders has neither the punch to hurt Canelo or the skill to out point him.
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[Mikeh333]

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[Mikeh333]

When he fought Kovalev you could see a bit of fat around his middle. He was not all that lean and he is not a full sized light heavyweight.

I saw no fat at all...Canelo was a ripped 175 pounds.

I can buy that he takes punches better at 28 than at 19. But I’m not sure that applies while going up 3-4 weight classes. I mean, Kovalev hits so much harder than any super welterweight. Ditto GGG and Danny Jacobs.

Canelo, drugs or no drugs, is an excellent boxer. But this is worth discussing.

[turnedup]

Well when you fail a drug test these things tend to linger over your head. Ironically, where were all these defenders when pacquaio was being accused despite never failing a single test..homerism is a muggafugga. Called out Someone in this thread about that shhh and he acted like I was making things up, yet here he is..front and center lol. Can’t make this shh up.

[Eff Pandas]

As someone who's done a hell of alot of weight training, and has lots of friends and two nephews who've juice one of the tale tale signs are the neck and shoulder muscles, especially the round side delts, what we call, 3d delts. They are very rare in naturals, same goes for the big traps. They are the muscle groups that grow most due to androgen use, and Canelos certainly got them. He also seems to shrink clearly between fights.

Anyone got some pics of before & after delt pics?

I've heard cats say they can eye test steroid users so this makes some sense to me. I'd like to see it in actual popped athletes doe.

[danceswithfire]

canelo has never popped positive for banned substances

oh wait....he has

now he has a good team that does his dirty laundry more carefully and effectively if you know what i mean

personally, i think he's still a cheat!

[Ray*]

No boxer is beyond clean IMHO, I would never sit here and defend any boxer in that terms. Especially when you have been caught with drugs or failed a test.

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I saw no fat at all...Canelo was a ripped 175 pounds.

I can buy that he takes punches better at 28 than at 19. But I’m not sure that applies while going up 3-4 weight classes. I mean, Kovalev hits so much harder than any super welterweight. Ditto GGG and Danny Jacobs.

Canelo, drugs or no drugs, is an excellent boxer. But this is worth discussing.

No fat at all?

So Floyd, Manny, Bradley, Klitschko, JMM, Sexy Sergio, and every other fighter with no fat at all must be JUICED TO THE GILLS.

CTFU...

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