Who is the Greatest Defensive Fighter of All Time?

[Yoseph]

I gotta put pernell or floyd as the greatest defensive fighter of all time

[MiDKnighT]

Was Ali really defensive?

In the 60's his defense was probably the best ever for a HW. Great head movement, great footwork. Here's a profile of his defensive techniques:



As time went on he lost his speed and started getting hit a lot more. By the 80's he was a punching bag.

Overall my vote goes to Willie Pep

[Mikeh333]

Ali did not get hit a lot during the 60's. He was very difficult to hit during his prime. I don't give a shi*t about a meaningless compubox "numbers" book that has no credibility. Anybody that intelligently watches his fights can see that. That's like pissing on somebody and telling them it's rain.

Feel free to pick out any one of these fights in it's entirety and point out where Ali was getting hit a lot on the chin.

I don’t know, I would go with stats, even ones like Compubox that are subject to some human error, over purely subjective impressions.

[joseph5620]

I don’t know, I would go with stats, even ones like Compubox that are subject to some human error, over purely subjective impressions.

You do know that compubox is purely subjective don't you? Who do you think is pushing the buttons?

[Mikeh333]

You do know that compubox is purely subjective don't you? Who do you think is pushing the buttons?

At least it’s a system with some framework, as opposed to just going by feel or impressions.

[Fat_asian]

What about James toney??!

[Fat_asian]

Or winky wright?

[NORMNEALON]

I would say the guy who was hit the least. Which is floyd.

But the sport has so much more history pre compubox , I mean unless you are sitting with a punch counter and watching every fight of all time u are seriously selling the topic short . Nicholino locche should be mentioned . But we wont know unless we sit and count etc . With alot of these guys . The great willie pep included . I actually give the trailblazers a little more credit. U ever seen a joe gans fight ?? I give credit to the defensive wizards of the more face first eras that involved more grappling etc. They were doing something no one had done yet . And altho their styles could look odd to boxing eyes of today without these guys boxing may not be called the sweet science . It would still be more of a fight or brawl if u will . Kudos to the trailblazers . They arent getting enuff mention here . Gene tunney deserves a mention as well with all the all time heavyweight talk , an extremely fluid sound defensive fighter and the Same on the front foot . Gene tunney is criminally under rated as a fighter in general .

[joseph5620]

At least it’s a system with some framework, as opposed to just going by feel or impressions.

That's exactly what they're going by. I don't even know what you're talking about. Compubox is controlled by exactly what your describing. The computer isn't watching and deciding which punches are landing. People are.

[MDPopescu]

... besides CompuBox there exists another interesting webpage:

https://boxstat.co/