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Wilder hasn’t improved in over 40 fights even looked worse his last outing despite his win but I’m supposed to believe a rusty Fury last year won’t be better this time around against an extremely limited fighter who he knows to stay away from the right hand side ? O.K I guess I’m the typical one ? Ha
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please dont tell me about what the 'industry thinks'...they are all in it for themselves and their pals. Eg schaeffer says one thing, EH says 'no youre wrong', bob arum says another.
There is no collective voice for boxing.
Remember when oscar de la hoya said sky sports made a mistake giving the contract to EH..and that they should have given it to Goldenboy who had Amir Khan?
these people say what serves them or opposes their competition.
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AJ-Ruiz 1 did only around 500k ppv buys in the uk, because it was a 4am fight.
otherwise AJ does 2-3x that when it's at 10pm.
real boxing fans who will part with their money, will watch aj-wilder whether its at 2pm or 11pm...
even if aj-wilder was at 10am, you would buy it and watch it (assuming you wouldnt stream it, but it does cost too much over there).
the type of fans who want to watch nfl and literally might miss such a big fight because they prefer to watch nfl, those are not paying fans in the first place.
this may not apply for lesser fights...but when we're talking aj-wilder then no doubt people who buy it, wouldnt care what time it's on EXCEPT if it's at a ridicilous time. For us here, 4-5am is not ideal for parents.
the US is a bigger market..but it only matters if you break that market. wilder hasnt and never will. if he'd stepped up in 2013/14 during the mayweather era. Gotten on the mayweather undercards vs real credible opponents, he would have broke through. a couple of undercard fights like that and he would have been the fking king of boxing if he'd beat his opponents. could have then headlined vs wladmir klitschko at msg or vegas.
look at Tony ferguson in the ufc, one fight on the mcgregor khabib undercard, he's now a big name.
also, if we're being honest..you know wilder's relevance is only in connection to aj because of the whole eddie hearn/dazn thing.
it's like you need that archetypal white guy to project all your seige mentality and suffering complex onto....and therefore you're supporting wilder..
in reality, you're not real wilder fans.
when aj lost to ruiz, wilder became so irrelevant that he was using floyd mayweather and mike tyson's names to project his suffering complex onto.Comment
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Well that's exactly why what they think matters. They're trying to maximize revenue.
There's no doubt the fight would have made more taking place in the US . . . EVEN HEARN ADMITS THIS.
What was being disputed was . . . how much more? Hearn was insisting the fight would only generate 10-15 million more taking place in the US while Team Wilder was insisting the fight would generate 50 million more taking place in the US.
That was the context of Joshua saying he didn't believe the fight would do 100 million (IN THE US) and if it was really going to do 100 million, give him 50 million and he'll sign.Comment
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no what richard schaeffer thinks doesnt mean ****, he is irrelevant now and an EH hater. go look his name up on youtube, half those videos coming up are him talking about EH.
you're literally just saying **** with no evidence.
when did EH say it was bigger in the US back then?
he would say this NOW because he's got dazn to please...not sky sports..but prior to that he was all about the uk and wembley. a fight like that under the dazn/matchroom brands helps his business.
What was being disputed was . . . how much more? Hearn was insisting the fight would only generate 10-15 million more taking place in the US while Team Wilder was insisting the fight would generate 50 million more taking place in the US.
in cloud cuckoo land, sure it did..but on planet earth this didnt happen.
That was the context of Joshua saying he didn't believe the fight would do 100 million (IN THE US) and if it was really going to do 100 million, give him 50 million and he'll sign
again, in cloud cuckoo land it did, but not on planet earth.
AJ didnt even say 'it wont do 100m'
he said 'they're saying it does 100m right? if they think that then give me 50m and ill take the fight'
BUT the context is already established...what 'they were saying' was in respons to the EH offer specifically.
you cannot change the context..
EH's 12.5m offer for a fight at wembley
response: 'it does 100m, give wilder 40%'
AJ: 'if they think it does 100m, why dont THEY give me 50m and they take everything else' (ie it is easy to claim it does this or that, but we know it wont)..
offer comes in..and it's an entirely diff context..which means it has nothing to do with what AJ said
aj said what he said pertaining to EH's offer via the proposed wembley fight.
you cant alter the facts. AJ was adamant from day 1 that the undisputed fight happens at Wembley. the venue was booked ffs..
as soon as all this 'when/where wilder wants' **** came out, i knew aj wont take the fight because it means it happens under the pbc banner.
it is no wonder they were so secretive. even frank warren first said that the money was going to be put up by BT sports..then he said 'we were interested' ie the network was going to pay the money.
they made aj the offer, then went tot he networks to front the money.
also you didnt answer me
would you verbally agree to a contract when you've not seen the terms?Comment
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No I put money on Wallin being the only one smart enough even losing the bet to realize a southpaw over 6”5 who fights aggressive with great footwork may give A distracted Fury problems and he did even with only 20 fights ,had the fight not been in Arums house Wallin wins on default.
Wallin is a reason one should actually go with Fury because it pushed him and will only be a wake up call,unfortunately for Wilder he gets the more motivated Fury who’s more focused much like Wallin actually got a more fit Fury and still out performed Wilder ,not that’s hard to do but you’ll see why Wilder style makes it easier by far on fight night .Comment
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"There is probably more money in this fight in America than there is in England, but our offer was based on a fight in England."Comment
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Maybe one day you can stop being a fanboy and have a reasonable conversation.
Regardless of how valuable a Ruiz-Joshua rematch was, there's no doubt that a Wilder-Joshua match, for one belt instead of all four, no longer undefeated vs undefeated, lost value. That doesn't mean that Joshua didn't have other valuable fights.
But clearly the amount of money you're offering for an undefeated vs undefeated full four belt undisputed unification is going to be more than what you offer when the other guy gets knocked out and loses all of his belts and would simply be a voluntary challenger in a WBC title fight.Comment
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