Proof Wilder is a fraud

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you have no evidence to back up your made up claim

Wilder literally offered $50 million for a fight in the US, so clearly his side believed it was a $100 million fight in the US. Nobody from Wilder's side, and nobody with any credibility from any side, has ever claimed it was a $100 million fight in the UK.

In response to Hearn offering 12.5, some journalists pointed out that the fight had the potential to do 80-100 million, but that POTENTIAL was in the US, where you're able to maximize the revenue. No respected journalist ever said the fight would do 100 million in the UK, they simply pointed out the fight had the potential to do 80-100 million (if held in the most lucrative market), so 12.5 was a horrible offer.

Thank you for your uneducated, inexperienced, amateur opinion that you can have a successful US PPV held in the UK, but every promoter and network disagrees with you, which is why it's never been attempted. Due to your lack of education and experience, you don't realize how critical fight week media is to the success of a PPV and the media won't treat an event held overseas as being as big of a deal as an event held at home. Also, 5PM New York time is 2PM West Coast, and people aren't going to gather at 2PM to spend $85 on a fight. It's just not how the culture is here.

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We'll know on February 22th

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Wilder has no wins against anyone of significance in the division, there is no proof he hit harder then Mike Tyson who fought far better fighters and even today would give Wilder a problem giving enough time to train ,just watch his fast movements the other week while showing a top UFC monster Ngannou how to hit .

The name of the game is winning ,going on that I’m pretty sure 90% of the public saw Wilder lose in the first Fury fight .

All of todays heavyweight SUCK
, that said, I agree Fury won their fight together, but I wont say Wilder isnt deserving of being where hes at right now.
I still think he would easily KO AJ.

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This thread is proof that Wilder's biggest haters are his biggest fans.

They simply can't stop talking about the guy and will watch him every time he fights. How erroneous.

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Wilder literally offered $50 million for a fight in the US, so clearly his side believed it was a $100 million fight in the US. Nobody from Wilder's side, and nobody with any credibility from any side, has ever claimed it was a $100 million fight in the UK.

In response to Hearn offering 12.5, some journalists pointed out that the fight had the potential to do 80-100 million, but that POTENTIAL was in the US, where you're able to maximize the revenue. No respected journalist ever said the fight would do 100 million in the UK, they simply pointed out the fight had the potential to do 80-100 million (if held in the most lucrative market), so 12.5 was a horrible offer.

Thank you for your uneducated, inexperienced, amateur opinion that you can have a successful US PPV held in the UK, but every promoter and network disagrees with you, which is why it's never been attempted. Due to your lack of education and experience, you don't realize how critical fight week media is to the success of a PPV and the media won't treat an event held overseas as being as big of a deal as an event held at home. Also, 5PM New York time is 2PM West Coast, and people aren't going to gather at 2PM to spend $85 on a fight. It's just not how the culture is here.

2pm is better than 3-5am man. wtf else are you doing at 2pm? that's a good time for all other sports..why is it bad for boxing?
the maximum revenue is in the uk not the US, because it brings both markets in.

you're simply trying to alter the order of events and hence the facts.
the proposed fight was for Wembley..the '100m' claims were in response to that. Schaeffer specifically said 'EH should offer more like 40%' clearly in that context they knew it was for the uk fight not the US.

You cant really really talk about Wilder's offer though. Finkle said 'no rematch clause, no date/venue, when/where wilder wants'.
Frank warren said 'it was guaranteed 80m with a rematch clause'
contradictions.

AJ and Hearn said they were interested, but they were told they'll only see the contract after they verbally agree. that was a problem when they couldnt see the contract and therefore didnt know what was in the terms.

Would you ever verbally agree to something (where a verbal agreement is legally binding) without seeing the terms?

in the end aj rejected the 50m because it wasnt on his terms in the uk.
now you cant argue against his reasons...at the very least know wilder got to see the terms offered to him.

furthermore, you've seen wilder rejected $120m and then say 'only if it's 50-50'.
this entire discussion is pointless knowing that wilder has contradicting himself many times but you've refused to diss him for that, but instead dissed aj.

you've just seen aj earn $200m over 2 fights despite losing badly to ruiz in the first...
you cannot deny that this guy is generating money on a different level, so 50m now looks like nothing.
all you have is that aj asked for 50m, but in the context HE meant it regarding the proposed wembley fight.

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All of todays heavyweight SUCK
, that said, I agree Fury won their fight together, but I wont say Wilder isnt deserving of being where hes at right now.
I still think he would easily KO AJ.

Wilder knocked out two guys easy in title fights one AJ defeated 4 years ago ,the other was out of boxing for 2 years and overweight, Wilder knockout of AJ being easy is not realistic at all,it takes real good boxing abilities to wear him down and Wilder simply don’t have that and will eat a huge shot himself and he’s done .

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2pm is better than 3-5am man. wtf else are you doing at 2pm? that's a good time for all other sports..why is it bad for boxing?

2pm is better than 3am, but the US has hundreds of millions of people and the US is willing to pay $75-100 for a PPV.

As for why 2pm is a bad time for boxing, part of the reason is because it's a good time for all other sports. Boxing takes place late on Saturday nights to get away from other sports, but also to be an ideal night/time to throw a party.

Why don't adults generally throw parties at 2pm or go out to party at 2pm? There's tons of reasons.

You can argue all you want that the PPV would make more taking place in the UK, but the entire industry disagrees with you, always has, and always will. Had the fight taken place in the UK, it absolutely positively would not have taken place on PPV in the US.

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Wilder knocked out two guys easy in title fights one AJ defeated 4 years ago ,the other was out of boxing for 2 years and overweight, Wilder knockout of AJ being easy is not realistic at all,it takes real good boxing abilities to wear him down and Wilder simply don’t have that and will eat a huge shot himself and he’s done .

I agree Wilder will eat a punch to give one. He will eat it fine. AJ will go to sleep.

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I agree Wilder will eat a punch to give one. He will eat it fine. AJ will go to sleep.

Wilder doesn’t eat punches he covers up like a giant turtle it’s why we won’t ever see the AJ fight anyway because Fury is going to end that , Wilder literally can’t stop a jab but posters are picking him to win vs a guy going to come for the knockout ? Well I learned one major thing on here never listen to Wilder fans and always listen to people who know boxing .

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Wilder doesn’t eat punches he covers up like a giant turtle it’s why we won’t ever see the AJ fight anyway because Fury is going to end that , Wilder literally can’t stop a jab but posters are picking him to win vs a guy going to come for the knockout ? Well I learned one major thing on here never listen to Wilder fans and always listen to people who know boxing .

Im no fan boy. Im a fan of prize fighting. Your a typical person on here. It dont matter what u PREFER to SEE in a winner. I could care less who wins between the two. I actually like Fury a little bit more but he is going to get hit and go to sleep.
I see this fight in terms of improving. Tyson cant improve more. Wilder can improve by volumes. WILL he? We will see.