HBO did everything the hardcore boxing fan wanted. Look at what happened

[Motorcity Cobra]

What you’re saying isn’t true at all.

What happened was DAZN came along and decided to pay fighters huge amounts, more money than they’ve ever made before. ESPN and Fox decided they were going to keep up.

DAZN had nobody and made no offers to anybody on HBO. You're just making stuff up. You keep coming in my topics telling blatant lies. Lies that are easily proven false.

[PAC-BOY]

What you’re saying isn’t true at all.

What happened was DAZN came along and decided to pay fighters huge amounts, more money than they’ve ever made before. ESPN and Fox decided they were going to keep up.

HBO said no thanks because it didn’t make financial sense for them.

HBO has the most of the most successful PPVs, regularly outperformed Showtime’s rating and has the top stars in the sport up until the very end.

But congratulations on being completely full of $h!t again.

Spot on post here. Im not sure how anyone can down a hardcore fan. Whats that make them...a casual fan? A casual fan that only knows popular fighters lol. I know casual fans that dont even know who any of the HW champs are right now. none of them. So when a casual speaks on boxing...or makes a thread in a forum its obvious what you are dealing with. No facts. No truth. No sense ! And nonsense !

[Madison Boxing]

its a narrative that was spun when it happened

when ward first game back and fought smith he stayed at 171 to keep himself between 175 and 168....he then approached golovkin about a fight....hbo wanted him to move right on and forget about golovkin...and golovkin turned the fight down right away....they wanted their canelo/golovkin and wanted ward to stop talking about golovkin

ward def needed a barrera tuneup for kovalev....but he didnt need brand....brand was a sparring sesh that was televised...and ward made hbo pay him for it because he knew he could...u honestly think hbo wanted to pay for, and televise, ward/brand?

Wtf are you talking about

[Gate keeper]

I don't think HBO failed so much as the powers at the top felt there were too few really lucrative opportunities in boxing and it wasn't worth it. I didn't get impression that they tried their absolute hardest to keep boxing and beat the competition but simply failed despite their best efforts. Seems more like they just threw in the towel rather prematurely. Around that time, Haymon was way overpaying fighters, not sure if he still is, and HBO was not in to copying that strategy at all although they easily could have had they wished to remain in boxing and maintain supremacy.

I think that if they wanted to keep boxing and actually dumped real money in to it, they'd have killed the competition easily. The only significant difference between HBO and PBC/Showtime was that Haymon was willing to dump huge amounts of money in to it and HBO was not, not because they didn't have but because they felt the return would have been chump change. To suggest HBO is not in the sport anymore because they went out of business due to some disastrous strategy concerning what fights to air and their commentary is a bit of an oversimplification in my opinion.

[Mammoth]

I don't think Peter Nelson just decided showing the Superfly series was a good idea and that pandering to the hardcores was the way to go. They had a small budget and lack of talent by then so I think really that was more of of necessity.

[asgarth]

Which hardcore fans wanted those things you have listed?
And why do u speak about hardcore fans as if it is something bad? I prefer a hardcore boxing fan over a boxing business/promotion company fan.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I don't think Peter Nelson just decided showing the Superfly series was a good idea and that pandering to the hardcores was the way to go. They had a small budget and lack of talent by then so I think really that was more of of necessity.

Remember when Nelson was hired by HBO and then promoted. What was the thing they talked about most? How he's a former writer and hardcore fan of the sport. How he can name talk about obscure fighters and obscure fights. Those fights that hardcore boxing fans love but the general public doesn't give a **** about. The boxing writers praised the hiring of Nelson. When he was promoted there was a brain drain at HBO. Guys like Taffet who had worked there for years decided to leave. They knew Nelson's vision wasn't going to last.

[bluebeam]

They refuse to realize HBO did everything they wanted them to go and it failed. Their way of thinking is how you kill the sport

Nobody gave a damn about super flyweight.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Nobody gave a damn about super flyweight.

Hardcores loved it. They thought the general public would care. They don't And there aren't enough of these hardcore idiots to support the sport. Self righteous fools.

[boogbx]

HBO lost all the top fighters thus not having the best cards they once upon a time were able to pride themselves on.

They had Golden Boy fighters but Golden Boys stable outside Canelo is nothing but ESPN Friday Night Fights stand outs and not the manny pacs, barrera, Mayweather, Naseem hamed, de la Hoyas that HBO once had.

It wasn’t that they listened to the hardcores, they tried to promote the smaller weight guys because it was the best available for them.

If they had Haymons stable along with Golden Boys they would still be on top of Boxing.

ESPN and PBC spending more than HBO that could care less about boxing because it got
More ratings from the H O M O game of thrones and insecure and that has more to do with millennials and their terrible tastes as opposed to
Listening to hardcore boxing fans.