So I watched a UFC fight for the very first time.... Absolutely horrendous

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  • TMLT87
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    #111
    Originally posted by Lomadeaux
    WHY DIDN'T HE GO INTO BOXING?!
    Because he was a high level wrestler who had some of the worst striking and punch resistance of any HW in MMA history. His entire game was about using his size, strength and wrestling to take people down and drop hammers on them from the top. None of his skillset translates into boxing.


    Originally posted by Lomadeaux
    Dude has never fought a day in his life... a punch... a kick... and he becomes the UFC champion in a matter of 5 fights? ALL PRAISE to him. It's impressive.
    He was a former division 1 level national wrestling champion with a record of 106-5. (bear in mind wrestling is widely regarded as being by far the best single discipline for MMA). He was also an absolute monster who was juiced to the gills. A 280lbish guy who could bench press 650lbs and was still agile enough to do backflips. He was able to briefly blag his way into the NFL just based on how much of an athletic freak he was. His combine stats are comparable to JJ Watts. His bench press reps are among the highest ever recorded at the combine. Acting like he was just some random dude who got off the couch one day and became UFC champ a year later is ridiculous. Not to mention he benefitted from good timing (the division was at a weak point when he won the belt) and being fast tracked due to his name.


    Originally posted by Lomadeaux

    The most amount of Heavyweight Title defenses in the UFC is 3. 3... That should tell you something.

    What should it tell exactly?

    Wilder has held the WBC title for 5 years having faced a grand total of 3 opponents who were considered top 10 when he faced them. One of those fights involved Wilder being gifted a draw to keep his belt. In that time he never fought Wlad, Joshua, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte etc and instead had title defences against the likes of Molina, Washington and Szpilka alongside repeatedly rematching people that nobody wanted him to have a rematch with.

    Btw, the guy thats generally considered the best HW ever (Fedor) never fought in the UFC and went undefeated for 10 years. That included several fights against opponents who had a ridiculous size advantage over him.



    Originally posted by Lomadeaux
    it’s much easier to become a UFC champion than a world champion in boxing...
    The problem with this is you dont actually even need to be the best guy in your division to become a champion in boxing considering theres multiple world titles available. You dont necessarily need to even be top 5. Charles Martin got his hands on the IBF title. Lucas Browne (an ex-mma fighter who got KO'd in the first round by UFC great Daniel Cormier) briefly held the WBA title. Wilder became WBC champ by beating Stiverne, and we've already discussed the quality of his title reign since.

    With all those belts floating around and all the politics allowing people to pick their path to titles, it wouldnt actually shock me if someone like Ngannou couldve got his hands on a major belt under the right circumstances. I'd give him a solid shot against someone like Martin or Stiverne, hes certainly a better athlete and bigger puncher than either. Btw, lets not forget that Jarrell Miller lost to an old washed up Cro Cop twice in KICKBOXING matches. The same Cro Cop that a few years earlier got dropped from the UFC having been KO'd three times in a row....

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    • Lomadeaux
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      #112
      Originally posted by Chollo Vista
      This stolen valor p555sy complained to the mods and got his thunderdome thread deleted

      Yeah, cause that's how real fighting boxing warriors do it lol
      Bro if you want to learn how to box for real, I can put you in touch with guys who can help you.

      Don’t be upset at real fighters because you’re not one. That’s just silly.

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        #113
        Originally posted by Lomadeaux
        Bro if you want to learn how to box for real, I can put you in touch with guys who can help you.

        Don’t be upset at real fighters because you’re not one. That’s just silly.
        And look who shows back up after having his thunderdome thread get deleted after he was humiliated and exposed.

        Wash and repeat. Back to his trolling ways.

        Well since I can't even make a thread exposing this stolen valor idiot without it being deleted, it's clear what's going on here.

        I'm not wasting another minute on this idiot

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        • Mr. 29K
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          #114
          Originally posted by MEXICAN STYLE
          Once the UFC's hypejobs (McGregor, Ronda, etc) where destroyed it got boring af. Only fights I care about are Khabib vs Tony Ferguson/Nate Diaz if El Cucuy fails & Jon Jones vs Stipe then I'm gone

          There are no Tito Ortiz's, Chuck Liddell's, Spider Silva, etc in their primes in MMA anymore
          I only follow El Cucuy cause he’s a paisano. That’s it. Don’t care for the sport anymore.

          Man, can’t believe not too long ago, Tito, Rampage, Liddell, St Pierre were all fighting at the same time. Good old days (although it wasn’t really too long ago.)

          I thought Roger Huerta was gonna be the next big thang, chalez.

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          • b Murphington
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            #115
            Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
            MMA is a very low skilled sport. These guys are jack of all trades master of none. Back in the day when there were no weight classes this guys were masters of their discipline. Now everybody trains for every discipline and they aren't great in none of them. Just average. Mixed Martial Arts is supposed to be just that. A striker vs a bjj. Karate vs wrestler. It's all over the place now
            Idk about master of none. It’s true that these guys don’t have to technically be a master of everything, but in today’s MMA, you need to be a pretty well trained in at least a few disciplines.

            Not always the case though. I recently saw a match that was virtually all stand up. It was essentially Muay Thai, but mostly just punching. Lower skilled than boxing, but it was good enough. The punching will always be of lower quality because these guys can’t sit on their punches the way boxers do because they have to defend against grabbling, takedowns, kicks, knees, elbows, and anything else. If they punched like boxers, they’d probably get countered with something other than a punch because they’d be left open.

            From what I’ve seen, the best martial artists are well versed in Muay Thai, wrestling, and Brazilian jiu jitsu. Like, almost all of them are trained in those 3 disciplines. Boxing’s a very important part too because every match starts standing up.

            I watch some MMA just because I have friends who watch it, but I find boxing much more entertaining. That’s not to say MMA is low skilled though.

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              #116
              Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni
              yeah you;ve never been in a fight. Not with anyone who knows what they are doing.

              Boxing is pretty much the antithesis of how real fights happen.

              Why do Boxers get sh.it on whenever they compete anywhere outside of Boxing?
              Compete , You understand I said Unsanctioned , was talking about ones that happen in Public or Street fights ,

              believe whatever you want Top Dog , I don’t give a f.uck it’d be pointless talking about fights we’ve been in or witnessed because I’m sure you’re basically Kimbo Slice 2.0 never taken A L in the street , I sure you’ve amassed almost all those Ws looking like Anderson Silva Out there kicking them in the face & dropping them and using your World Class ground game on the concrete to choke them or snapping limbs like Frank Mir. It has to be because you are the greatest fighter alive that in all those years of you taking fools out on the ground in the street , that the buddy’s of the guy you were leg locking didn’t use that as a opportunity to put their boots to your facw chewing on some pavement or kick you in the ribs because you’re in a vulnerable position on the ground but clearly I’m just guessing and making all of this up since you proved that I don’t know what I’m talking about.

              My bad man

              Originally posted by Lomadeaux
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              My bad Kimbo 3.0, You also proved I don’t know what the f.uck I’m saying with your A-1 GIF , proof that you’re a Real Street fighting Man.

              MMA Fighters have a huge advantage if it’s a fight among similar trained & experiences MMA & Boxers , But in the real World when people fight it’s almost never the case of 2 similar sized equally trained individuals that happens in a safe environment without a care if you put yourself in a vulnerable position without worry of something happening, But I’m sure Kimbo 3.0 You knew of this and While you can leg sweep MOfos then do the real damage on the ground without fear , Most fight in Public don’t happen that way or so I’ve been told

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                #117
                Originally posted by R_Walken
                Compete , You understand I said Unsanctioned , was talking about ones that happen in Public or Street fights ,

                believe whatever you want Top Dog , I don’t give a f.uck it’d be pointless talking about fights we’ve been in or witnessed because I’m sure you’re basically Kimbo Slice 2.0 never taken A L in the street , I sure you’ve amassed almost all those Ws looking like Anderson Silva Out there kicking them in the face & dropping them and using your World Class ground game on the concrete to choke them or snapping limbs like Frank Mir. It has to be because you are the greatest fighter alive that in all those years of you taking fools out on the ground in the street , that the buddy’s of the guy you were leg locking didn’t use that as a opportunity to put their boots to your facw chewing on some pavement or kick you in the ribs because you’re in a vulnerable position on the ground but clearly I’m just guessing and making all of this up since you proved that I don’t know what I’m talking about.

                My bad man



                My bad Kimbo 3.0, You also proved I don’t know what the f.uck I’m saying with your A-1 GIF , proof that you’re a Real Street fighting Man.

                MMA Fighters have a huge advantage if it’s a fight among similar trained & experiences MMA & Boxers , But in the real World when people fight it’s almost never the case of 2 similar sized equally trained individuals that happens in a safe environment without a care if you put yourself in a vulnerable position without worry of something happening, But I’m sure Kimbo 3.0 You knew of this and While you can leg sweep MOfos then do the real damage on the ground without fear , Most fight in Public don’t happen that way or so I’ve been told
                I don’t know what you’re saying bro. You sound similar to your buddy in this forum.

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by Lomadeaux
                  The most amount of Heavyweight Title defenses in the UFC is 3. 3... That should tell you something.
                  What are you trying to say here? To me, that just says that the sport is extremely competitive. I’ve watched UFC before. It’s a league. UFC is supposed to be the best of MMA, so that means it’s top level fighters fighting each other. That’s how boxing should be.

                  I’m no fan of MMA and I can’t appreciate the finer aspects of it because I don’t have a MMA background. It’s just not what I grew up with. But I do appreciate the sport for what it is and I respect UFC because of how it’s marketed and how competitive the match ups are.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by b morph
                    What are you trying to say here? To me, that just says that the sport is extremely competitive. I’ve watched UFC before. It’s a league. UFC is supposed to be the best of MMA, so that means it’s top level fighters fighting each other. That’s how boxing should be.

                    I’m no fan of MMA and I can’t appreciate the finer aspects of it because I don’t have a MMA background. It’s just not what I grew up with. But I do appreciate the sport for what it is and I respect UFC because of how it’s marketed and how competitive the match ups are.
                    Wilder has 10 defences and he didn't face a top 10 opponent until his 7th defence which was Ortiz!!

                    If he were in the UFC his first defence would have been against someone like Klitschko or Fury and his reign may have ended right there. These guys don't understand that you can't compare records in UFC to boxing, you don't get to pick and choose opponents or pad your resume against no-hopers till you feel ready to step up.

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by NaijaD
                      Wilder has 10 defences and he didn't face a top 10 opponent until his 7th defence which was Ortiz!!

                      If he were in the UFC his first defence would have been against someone like Klitschko or Fury and his reign may have ended right there. These guys don't understand that you can't compare records in UFC to boxing, you don't get to pick and choose opponents or pad your resume against no-hopers till you feel ready to step up.
                      Yeah I know. It’s like people see a loss on a guys record and they assume he sucks. It’s incredible.

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