Crawford asked Hearn to fight the winner of Garcia vs Vargas

[OnePunch]

terry....if you think im "threatned" by anything you type...well...im truly concerned for you....

what really does concern me though is how much you really dislike a guy that is loved by his clients...

I never inferred you were threatened. I was referring to the other clown. He seems to really take it personally if someone disagrees with him. Its like i ****** his sister and never called her again or something. I find it odd. Personally, I think you and him are both wrong about the Ali Act interpretation, but so be it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

And I think you misread my feelings about Haymon. When it comes to PERSONAL feelings about him, I have none. I neither like him, nor dislike him. I dont know him on a personal level. I think we shook hands once at a Berto fight where he was standing with Kery Davis, but that was about 100 years ago......

My issue with him is 2-fold. First, when he got the Waddell Reed money, he went on a spending spree with the time buys. He completely devalued boxing content to the point that you couldnt hardly sell content to anyone, because he was giving it away for free. And yes, I know it was his strategy to try and bankrupt any of his competitors who relied on license fees, but it simply destroyed content value for several years, and its just now bouncing back. It didnt affect my wallet, because I was already out of the business for 3 or 4 years before this happened, but alot of good people lost alot of money due to him. And he single handedly destroyed ESPN Friday Night Fights, which was without a doubt the best development platform out there.

The other issue I have is how he has kneecapped existing promoters, turned them into basically site coordinators, but has put nothing in the place of the true "promoter". With his roster, and bankroll, he should have been able to raise the profile of nearly EVERY fighter in his stable. But nobody is actually PROMOTING these guys. The "promoter of record" isnt doing it, because he has no incentive to. And PBC's "promotional" strategy seems to be to have Tim Smith send out a tweet now and then. Its absurd. And of course I believe he is violating the Act by having a financial interest in promotional activities, but that topic has been beat to death.

So overall, if you look at what has happened in the sport over the past 5 or 6 years, do you really believe Haymon has done some great service for the sport? Things are fragmented more than they ever were, and we are getting more PPVs than ever before. Sure, the top 25 or 30 fighters are making alot more money than they used to, but overall is the sport in a better place? I dont think so.

But again, thats just my opinion........

[Curt Henning]

I never inferred you were threatened. I was referring to the other clown. He seems to really take it personally if someone disagrees with him. Its like i ****** his sister and never called her again or something. I find it odd. Personally, I think you and him are both wrong about the Ali Act interpretation, but so be it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

And I think you misread my feelings about Haymon. When it comes to PERSONAL feelings about him, I have none. I neither like him, nor dislike him. I dont know him on a personal level. I think we shook hands once at a Berto fight where he was standing with Kery Davis, but that was about 100 years ago......

My issue with him is 2-fold. First, when he got the Waddell Reed money, he went on a spending spree with the time buys. He completely devalued boxing content to the point that you couldnt hardly sell content to anyone, because he was giving it away for free. And yes, I know it was his strategy to try and bankrupt any of his competitors who relied on license fees, but it simply destroyed content value for several years, and its just now bouncing back. It didnt affect my wallet, because I was already out of the business for 3 or 4 years before this happened, but alot of good people lost alot of money due to him. And he single handedly destroyed ESPN Friday Night Fights, which was without a doubt the best development platform out there.

The other issue I have is how he has kneecapped existing promoters, turned them into basically site coordinators, but has put nothing in the place of the true "promoter". With his roster, and bankroll, he should have been able to raise the profile of nearly EVERY fighter in his stable. But nobody is actually PROMOTING these guys. The "promoter of record" isnt doing it, because he has no incentive to. And PBC's "promotional" strategy seems top be to have Tim Smith send out a tweet now and then. Its absurd. And of course I believe he is violating the Act by having a financial interest in promotional activities, but that topic has been beat to death.

So overall, if you look at what has happened in the sport over the past 5 or 6 years, do you really believe Haymon has done some great service for the sport? Things are fragmented more than they ever were, and we are getting more PPVs than ever before. Sure, the top 25 or 30 fighters are making alot more money than they used to, but overall is the sport in a better place? I dont think so.

But again, thats just my opinion........

good post...fair post...i respect your opinion

but you know the saying..."adapt or die"...its a business...and yes im aware you werent affected personally...but im talking about the guys still around.....im not sure haymon is concerned with being fair and friendly to the competition....i realize that theres sort of a "brotherhood" amongst fight promoters....but if you dont thinkt theres someone looking to come along and crush you than you are naive

is the sport in a better place? thats debatable....although if haymon werent around im not sure it would be either....

say what you want about floyd....but look at what happened to him once he left arum....arum didnt even want do to the oscar fight lol....al took that guy and launched conglomerate....

i realize alot of the "old guard" are pissed at haymon....but the game changes

[Szef]

I assume you dont have money because you talk, think, and act like someone who doesnt have money. I picture you as one of those clowns with a fake Breitling and a leased 3-series BMW. I could be wrong of course, but thats how you present yourself.

I interact frequently with several ultra-high net worth individuals, and never have had a single one even bring up whether or not their ventures are profitable. Unless you are seeking an investor, profitability is irrelevant......

And sorry to bust your bubble, but I haven't the slightest clue who you are, or who your family is, nor do I care...........


And as for your suggestion about comparing net worth, you should look no further than Don King himself. When asked about his net worth, Don replied...... "if you can count it, you aint got ****"

he's lying. he's not a boxing promoter. he promotes d level wrestling shows. somebody exposed him on here a while ago. i forgot his name. bald, obese man in his 30s. his grandfather was a canadian pm or something.

[AJ's Boy]

Terrible. ******.

[rickJen]

Don't know the huge malarkey in this thread.
This poster sensationalises every little thing.

You think the court would rule against the interest of the fighter?
If Crawford is talking to Hearn about potential fights, so what?
The winner of the Vargas/Garcia fight would not be available
about six months after the fight, anyway.
In which case, Crawford's contract with TR would have been over.

Much ado about nothing.

[N/A]

1/2 wrong. I made the assumption that the "but but but it free doe" platform was going to continue. I clearly said that elite level events are pretty much impossible to do with advertiser supported revenue, and any rights deal predicated on that strategy was guaranteed to fail. And that was proven 100% correct, as every B+ or better matchup has gone right to PPV.......

no. you were completely wrong. you said a free network would NEVER EVER pay 7 figure license fees for boxing. fox is now paying over $60 million a year, with the average Fox card having a license fee of FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.

you cant then switch the argument to, "well the biggedt fights are on ppv." that's even more impressive that fox is paying that much without even getting the biggest fights. haymon got a free network to pay HBO level license fees for B level fights. so you weren't 50% wrong, you were actually 200% wrong.

and wrong about the ali act.

and wrong about my finances.

wrong about everything.

[OnePunch]

good post...fair post...i respect your opinion

but you know the saying..."adapt or die"...its a business...and yes im aware you werent affected personally...but im talking about the guys still around.....im not sure haymon is concerned with being fair and friendly to the competition....i realize that theres sort of a "brotherhood" amongst fight promoters....but if you dont thinkt theres someone looking to come along and crush you than you are naive

is the sport in a better place? thats debatable....although if haymon werent around im not sure it would be either....

say what you want about floyd....but look at what happened to him once he left arum....arum didnt even want do to the oscar fight lol....al took that guy and launched conglomerate....

i realize alot of the "old guard" are pissed at haymon....but the game changes

oh no doubt one must adapt or die. Arum did it with the ESPN deal. Hearn and Golden Boy did it with the DAZN deals. I just never believed you had to go "scorched earth" in order to develop your concept. And to me if your "proof of concept" requires destroying an entire industry, then perhaps that concept isnt all its cracked up to be.......

Again, just my opinion.........


And as for Floyd, well he was just brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Once in a lifetime business mind. The switch from "Pretty Boy" to "Money", becoming a heel, buying out of his contract at exactly the right moment, making sure EVERY fight detail was negotiated in his favor, absolutely brilliant. And of course he backed it up in the ring.

And if a fight was really close, like Castillo 1 or Maidana 1, Floyd said "fine lets do it again".

And his career is not likely to be replicated anytime soon. The "machine" probably wont allow it. WAY too much money and power with one individual......

[OnePunch]

wrong about everything.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

Hows the wrasslin bidness goin?

[Curt Henning]

oh no doubt one must adapt or die. Arum did it with the ESPN deal. Hearn and Golden Boy did it with the DAZN deals. I just never believed you had to go "scorched earth" in order to develop your concept. And to me if your "proof of concept" requires destroying an entire industry, then perhaps that concept isnt all its cracked up to be.......

Again, just my opinion.........


And as for Floyd, well he was just brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Once in a lifetime business mind. The switch from "Pretty Boy" to "Money", becoming a heel, buying out of his contract at exactly the right moment, making sure EVERY fight detail was negotiated in his favor, absolutely brilliant. And of course he backed it up in the ring.

And if a fight was really close, like Castillo 1 or Maidana 1, Floyd said "fine lets do it again".

And his career is not likely to be replicated anytime soon. The "machine" probably wont allow it. WAY too much money and power with one individual......

did he really destroy an "industry" though...i mean....as you mentioned hearn adapted...bob did.....they got money...i think it just appeared that he was trying to destroy it...but he was really just trying to get a leg up while everyone else figured how to catch up imo...

[OnePunch]

did he really destroy an "industry" though...i mean....as you mentioned hearn adapted...bob did.....they got money...i think it just appeared that he was trying to destroy it...but he was really just trying to get a leg up while everyone else figured how to catch up imo...

he destroyed the mid-level industry for sure. The Big 3 survived, but there are ZERO outlets that mid-level promoters can shop content to. That means Dibella, Shaw, Deguardia, Pelullo, Thompson, Duva, etc etc have nowhere to go. No more ESPN Friday Night Fights (which were open to EVERYONE). And once Showtime packs it in, SHOBOX will be gone as well. Zabala has Telemundo on lockdown, so there is really nowhere to shop content to. No real money in overseas sales either. I would hate to be in the business these days.......