Comments Thread For: Joshua Trainer: If Ortiz Had Been 28 - He Would Have Beat Wilder!

[SinderellaMan]

When Ortiz was 28 Wilder was still in diapers.

Now that was an awesome post!!!

[techliam]

But draws aren't negative. And I've been on this site and talked to enough boxing fans in my 43 years to know that resume refers to the full body of work. A fighter who gives a good account of himself in a loss (JMM for example) shouldn't have it relegated to nothing because of an unfavorable result. Wilder may have gotten outboxed in a draw, but he legitimately put Fury to sleep. People like to forget that part.

Put him to sleep so bad that Fury outboxed him for the rest of the round?

You can define resume however you want, but it’s a biiig stretch to say Fury is a positive on Wilders resume, when he was extremely lucky to even get a draw

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Put him to sleep so bad that Fury outboxed him for the rest of the round?

You can define resume however you want, but it’s a biiig stretch to say Fury is a positive on Wilders resume, when he was extremely lucky to even get a draw

Only Wilder fans would take a draw to someone the entire boxing social media world was telling he’s not ready for . It’s a huge dent in the Wilder career and further damage beyond a Ortiz in 2018 he lucked out in and to a guy not really medically cleared . Wilders had big breaks so far so much even getting help in his 13th fight ,he’s lucky not have multiple losses but his luck runs out when he sees Fury again .

[techliam]

Only Wilder fans would take a draw to someone the entire boxing social media world was telling he’s not ready for . It’s a huge dent in the Wilder career and further damage beyond a Ortiz in 2018 he lucked out in and to a guy not really medically cleared . Wilders had big breaks so far so much even getting help in his 13th fight ,he’s lucky not have multiple losses but his luck runs out when he sees Fury again .

Wilder has a decent chance of beating Fury, I’d say it’s 50/50

If he does win legitimately, if rank him no.1 by a distance

But I’m not giving him credit now for something he hasn’t done. That’s fanboy mentality

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Wilder has a decent chance of beating Fury, I’d say it’s 50/50

If he does win legitimately, if rank him no.1 by a distance

But I’m not giving him credit now for something he hasn’t done. That’s fanboy mentality

Wilder is going to be in serious trouble if Fury comes to end it , what people don’t understand is Wilder cannot use his offense while someone is pressing him because his skill sets don’t allow it . Fury is going to tee off on him and like the first fight won’t be getting shots off and missing every power punch while Fury’s on the move ,this will be prepared Fury ,don’t see how it’s 50/50 and didn’t see it last time even .

One could make argument of 60/ 40 if they really know boxing ,I wouldn’t give Wilder a 30% chance personally ,I think it’s a very unlikely Wilder win and only a arrogant Fury would potentially lose but do we configure that into it again?

[OldTerry]

But he just showed us he can if he wants to.

I wouldn't call what AJ did against Ruiz a lesson in being a Masterclass boxer. He used his height and reach well and fought in a defensive style. Against a much better boxer like Fury he would not look very masterful at all.

[doom_specialist]

Put him to sleep so bad that Fury outboxed him for the rest of the round?

You can define resume however you want, but it’s a biiig stretch to say Fury is a positive on Wilders resume, when he was extremely lucky to even get a draw

All your opinion, but I respect it. And Fury said he was out himself when he spoke to Mike Tyson, and we saw that the count took longer than 10 seconds. I thought Fury won the fight too, but I can admit that Wilder had a case for winning early in a fight that he "lost". A lot of refs would have waved it off, or got to 10 sooner. A lot of judges would have scored it for Fury, but it didn't go that way. Everyone knows Wilder boxes terribly, but his generalship has never been how he wins fights. There are enough question marks for the rematch to make it interesting regardless of what you think happened the first time.

[techliam]

All your opinion, but I respect it. And Fury said he was out himself when he spoke to Mike Tyson, and we saw that the count took longer than 10 seconds. I thought Fury won the fight too, but I can admit that Wilder had a case for winning early in a fight that he "lost". A lot of refs would have waved it off, or got to 10 sooner. A lot of judges would have scored it for Fury, but it didn't go that way. Everyone knows Wilder boxes terribly, but his generalship has never been how he wins fights. There are enough question marks for the rematch to make it interesting regardless of what you think happened the first time.

I didn’t see him take longer than 10 seconds at all. If you are referring to the referee counting longer, you’ll find this happens in nearly every fight with a knockdown

I don’t dispute the closing argument. I’ve said earlier in the post the rematch is 50/50. The power is an equaliser

However, that doesn’t detract from my original point that it’s a massive stretch to claim Fury as a positive for Wilder. It’s puzzling why a select few posters on here are desperate to credit Wilder with things he has yet to do, instead of waiting until he actually does it

[doom_specialist]

I didn’t see him take longer than 10 seconds at all. If you are referring to the referee counting longer, you’ll find this happens in nearly every fight with a knockdown

I don’t dispute the closing argument. I’ve said earlier in the post the rematch is 50/50. The power is an equaliser

However, that doesn’t detract from my original point that it’s a massive stretch to claim Fury as a positive for Wilder. It’s puzzling why a select few posters on here are desperate to credit Wilder with things he has yet to do, instead of waiting until he actually does it

Because when I talk about Manny Pacquiao, or Mayweather, Cotto, or any of my favorite fighters, I bring up adversity as well, because how you lose matters, and who you lost to matters (though Wilder didn't lose). I didn't say Fury was a "positive", and even noted that I thought Fury won, but Wilder put him to sleep by Fury's own admission. That's worth talking about, especially when you come back to reality where the decision was a draw. People did this to Andre Ward in Kovalev I, Mayweather in Castillo I, Pacquiao in Marquez I, etc. Let's see how the rematch unfolds.

[Laligalaliga]

I wouldn't call what AJ did against Ruiz a lesson in being a Masterclass boxer. He used his height and reach well and fought in a defensive style. Against a much better boxer like Fury he would not look very masterful at all.

You wouldn't be too sure until it happens.
People will be like AJ is so versatile and his boxing skills is top notch.