Daniel Jacobs should be the most popular US boxer

[Mooshashi]

What makes you think the American public wants a non-threatening black man?

The biggest American draws in modern boxing history, Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather, were the complete opposite of everything you're describing.

The public wants danger. The public wants charisma. The public wants you to win your big fights. Jacobs fails in all of these departments.

He also fought on HBO during the dying days and now fights on an app nobody has. He lost to GGG and he lost to Canelo. There's not much else for him to do that people will care about.

How many advertisements did Tyson make in his prime? Not today when he is an elder statesman. None. Zero.

How many advertisements has Mayweather ever made? Nike? Beer? None to my knowledge.

Not even movies, until recently for Tyson.

[D4thincarnation]

The guy is smart, is a very good public speaker, never (to my knowledge) trashes other boxers, is a "Yes Sir, No Sir" kind of guy, no scandals, no drug use, no PED failures, and he has the whole I Beat Cancer backstory. And he's a very good boxer, only lost to elites like GGG and Canelo and the mysterious Pirog (and he had cancer at that time).

The guy is squeaky clean. Why isn't he doing commercials, or making appearances on TV talk shows?

What other US boxer could possibly be more appealing to everyone? And let's get real here...he is a non-threatening black man, unlike Wilder who has made some poorly thought out remarks IMO.

What's up with dat?

Nice guys finish last.

[Mooshashi]

Nice guys finish last.

Thanks, Mr Durocher.

[N/A]

How many advertisements did Tyson make in his prime? Not today when he is an elder statesman. None. Zero.

You're wrong.

In his prime, Tyson appeared in TV commercials for Diet Pepsi, Kodak Film, Nintendo, the FBI's anti-drug program, Signet Bank as well as other banks, Toyota cars, New York's anti-drug program, Suntory Beer, the USA Today newspaper, and many others.

[MaksBox]

As a white guy and fan of Euro fighters, I REALLY like Jacobs. He seems to be a great guy, great story, and someone sponsors would not have to worry about too much in terms of reputational damage... i.e imagine sponsoring Spence when it comes out he is a drunk and crashes his car? Or if the boxer gets arrested for beating someone, etc.

The problem for Jacobs I think is not the "good boy" but rather...
1. He took a loss fairly early on to an unknown Russian... Pirog. That tarnished his record and reputation.
2. Then he loses to "Good Boys" GGG and Canelo.

Is he suddenly going to become a Canelo, Pacman or Mayweather? No... because he has not won when he stepped up.

Let's be honest.... many here watch Wilder just to see when he gets KTFO for his "I want a body on my record" comments and why so many watched Adonis Stevenson... they wanted to see who was going to punish him for his criminal past.

Unfortunately drama sells fights... just look at GGG vs Canelo versus Canelo vs Jacobs and Canelo vs Kovalev.... people who all respect each other. At least with GGG vs Canelo there was the Canelo ducking and tainted meat issues.
It really is that if you want to be a superstar... just as many people need to HATE YOU as people love you... and prime example... Pacman vs Floyd.

AJ is also a "good boy" but he was also marketed as the anti "Crackhead Gypsy Biggot Fury"

[TheUptownKid]

I agree with your second paragraph too. I've actually made that point a few times myself. Eg a hardcore fan living in NY isnt going to take a plane to watch a card in Vegas and vice versa. Whereas in the UK those type of fans will happily make a day of it and drive from manchester to london and be back by 2-3am.
I could obv have gone more in depth on the various types of black boxing fans, there are plenty of good ones too..purely because boxing is a good sport.
That affects ticket sales which in turn makes the end product not look so good on tv, which in turn affects the buy rate.
furthermore, they've seen it all before.
However Eddie Hearn did use that example a few yrs back when he talked about what he would do if he was in the US (long before dazn). I think that interview/question inspired him a little bit to start gravitating towards American boxing. He was asked why the atmosphere is dead in the US and said its because they're always putting on cards in the same places..ny, vegas, la. Whereas he could put on a card in Newcastle, liverpool, nottingham etc and the atmosphere would be second to none.

Now when im talking about the present AVE black boxing fan...
I'm talking about those real twisted ldbc types who bring racism and xenophobia into it. what ive seen, dominated every forum, youtube videos, comments, twitter..is the same type of fan.

end of the day, look at Wilder. No support, no hype, no promotion..until aj came onto the scene.
Ask yourself why so many black boxing fans suddenly woke up and started this 'us vs you' ****.

Also, i saw racism between mexicans and blacks back in the gbp days and then when al haymon started the pbc.
they're basically like the hooligan culture in the UK in football.

in the UK boxing culture is fun. it's just all memes, chisora, whyte, tyan booth, dave allen, those type are popular.

I hear you, but UK has soccer and boxing. Cricket maybe. But for a young black fan boxing is big business. There’s no lebron of the uk, no Lamar Jackson, just Ronaldo and boxing. It’s easier to be a fan there because you don’t dominate sports like the us does. I don’t even say that as a source of pride, just what it is. We win the Olympics medal total almost every time because we have top flight training facilities for everything. Uk has focused on boxing because of a lack of other options

[FinitoxDinamita]

Jacobs is missing that extra oomph which separates the good from the greats. He isnt worthy of holding the torch.

[TheUptownKid]

I agree with your second paragraph too. I've actually made that point a few times myself. Eg a hardcore fan living in NY isnt going to take a plane to watch a card in Vegas and vice versa. Whereas in the UK those type of fans will happily make a day of it and drive from manchester to london and be back by 2-3am.
I could obv have gone more in depth on the various types of black boxing fans, there are plenty of good ones too..purely because boxing is a good sport.
That affects ticket sales which in turn makes the end product not look so good on tv, which in turn affects the buy rate.
furthermore, they've seen it all before.
However Eddie Hearn did use that example a few yrs back when he talked about what he would do if he was in the US (long before dazn). I think that interview/question inspired him a little bit to start gravitating towards American boxing. He was asked why the atmosphere is dead in the US and said its because they're always putting on cards in the same places..ny, vegas, la. Whereas he could put on a card in Newcastle, liverpool, nottingham etc and the atmosphere would be second to none.

Now when im talking about the present AVE black boxing fan...
I'm talking about those real twisted ldbc types who bring racism and xenophobia into it. what ive seen, dominated every forum, youtube videos, comments, twitter..is the same type of fan.

end of the day, look at Wilder. No support, no hype, no promotion..until aj came onto the scene.
Ask yourself why so many black boxing fans suddenly woke up and started this 'us vs you' ****.

Also, i saw racism between mexicans and blacks back in the gbp days and then when al haymon started the pbc.
they're basically like the hooligan culture in the UK in football.

in the UK boxing culture is fun. it's just all memes, chisora, whyte, tyan booth, dave allen, those type are popular.

And tbh England has more racism than the us, see recent string of soccer slurs. We are just accustomed to a level of excellence in our sports and boxing is simply more diverse. We love basketball and football and the best players are black.

In boxing there’s a nationalism that blacks don’t have in other sports. If you didn’t tout black uk boxers who would be the option? You could say fury but he hasn’t had a belt in years and still is seeking. Is it Callum Smith? He’s waiting to get his belt taken by canelo. You have to unite bc you don’t have the overwhelming talent like the us.

It’s been the us vs the world for decades and it continues to be that way. I understand pride and nationalism but we have to keep it a buck ��. That means 100% honest.

[TJ highway]

I also like Jacobs. He did everything right! Kept his mouth shut when everyone was rambling on about Jr failed drug test, changing States not making weight. Jacobs was quite and made weight like a professional. Glad to see Jacobs take some of Jr's money. But it was sad seen the crowd and Jacobs not getting his props.

[Inspired]

And tbh England has more racism than the us, see recent string of soccer slurs. We are just accustomed to a level of excellence in our sports and boxing is simply more diverse. We love basketball and football and the best players are black.

In boxing there’s a nationalism that blacks don’t have in other sports. If you didn’t tout black uk boxers who would be the option? You could say fury but he hasn’t had a belt in years and still is seeking. Is it Callum Smith? He’s waiting to get his belt taken by canelo. You have to unite bc you don’t have the overwhelming talent like the us.

It’s been the us vs the world for decades and it continues to be that way. I understand pride and nationalism but we have to keep it a buck ��. That means 100% honest.

Just to make it clear, i'm not going to be arguing over which country is better or who has better black people/fans/athletes/sports people LOL. I was talking purely about the fact that US boxing fans only tend to spring to life when their ego is challenged, then they spew racist and xenophobic hate. of course im generalising, knowing that isnt the case for all black boxing fans over there.

I guess the US is more segregated, due to it's size eg you'll get large pockets of black populations that are distant from other races. Perhaps it explains why you have the ldbc.
With Britain being tiny, it cant be that segregated.

There are 1.85m blacks in the uk, 37m in the US.
Considering that, you have to admit it's pretty fking impressive for blacks here to be dominant in football and boxing like they are.
You said one of the reasons for that is that the US blacks look to other sports like basketball/football where blacks make it.
You can't just ignore that american boxing has the prestigue and history, dominated by black boxers. To me, being american and black would draw me to boxing.

Considering the sheer size of the US, you should be far more dominant in the olympics, but only do on ave 2x the number of medals we do.
My earlier point was that the US has fallen, by it's own historical standards and domination. Other countries are catching up. the US is still ahead, but not to the extent it used to be.

Since the end of the cold war, followed by the doping scandals and then the war on terror, the US government doesnt give a fk about investing in grassroots level sports facilities like they used to.
The government in the UK has def invested in grassroots level boxing.


All these factors inc the things you've highlighted are true and do affect the popularity of boxing amongst black people in the US.
My basic point was that considering all the above, what is left from black boxing fans, are usually nutters with a hooligan mentality.

Btw, the US having it's own 'stars' and it's own sports really doesnt do it any favours. people here are far more open to following athletes/sportsmen from other countries. We grew up watching Serie A (italian) football where they used to have the best players from all over the world. The most popular footballers historically have been foreign eg Ronaldo, Theirry Henry, Didier Drogba, Zola, Cantona etc.
we dont need our own to follow a sport though. look at how popular mike tyson was when he camr to the UK. **** even wilder has fans in the UK. people dont really care about nationality/race, they just want to have fun and banter..and be appreciated.
eg wilder coming to BATLEY, people are like 'wtf is he doing here?' but he got fans in batley.

btw boxing is ranked 10th most popular sport here. it's grown..but it is still behind other sports.