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  • Why not to agree that prime Mike Tyson was the best small HW ever while Holyfield was the best roided small HW ever in the modern post-Marciano era.

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    • Originally posted by Dariusz View Post
      Why not to agree that prime Mike Tyson was the best small HW ever while Holyfield was the best roided small HW ever in the modern post-Marciano era.
      Would it be unrealistic to think Mike was on the juice ?

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      • Originally posted by Curtis Harper View Post
        Would it be unrealistic to think Mike was on the juice ?
        I strogly believe that prime young Tyson was clean. But noone can be 100% sure, true.

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        • Originally posted by Dariusz View Post
          I strogly believe that prime young Tyson was clean. But noone can be 100% sure, true.
          That rage, though........he didn't get it from that street life.

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          • Hhmmm...

            https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-tyson-coward





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            • Originally posted by Armchairhero View Post
              I think any heavyweight in the top 10 all time has the tools to beat any other on any given night.
              I can’t think of a single fighter you could argue would be unbeatable.
              I think Lewis is probably the best all round heavy, but he was vulnerable at times too.
              There’s a lot of truth to this. And no, no one is unbeatable.

              I don’t think Tyson is a top-ten heavyweight. But I’ve always said that, on his best night, he could’ve beaten anyone that ever lived. I suppose, as you pointed out, the same can be said about a few others.

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              • Originally posted by Dariusz View Post
                I strogly believe that prime young Tyson was clean. But noone can be 100% sure, true.

                Look at mike as an early teen, he was a huge muscular kid...
                His prime at 220 ish he was clean as a whistle

                I’m an ex bodybuilder I think I have a good eye for it, in some of his later fights post prison he looked a bit juicy to me.

                Holyfield is the most obvious juicer in boxing, it’s not even worth arguing about anymore, Roy Jones too when he moved up.

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                • Originally posted by Armchairhero View Post
                  Look at mike as an early teen, he was a huge muscular kid...
                  His prime at 220 ish he was clean as a whistle

                  I’m an ex bodybuilder I think I have a good eye for it, in some of his later fights post prison he looked a bit juicy to me.

                  Holyfield is the most obvious juicer in boxing, it’s not even worth arguing about anymore, Roy Jones too when he moved up.
                  I remember when Holyfield hired Lee Haney as his strength and conditioning coach. More than likely that’s when his juicing days started. Lol

                  As for Tyson, I recall reading in “Bad Intentions,” by Peter Heller, that the first time he ever touched a weight, at the age of fifteen, he benched 225 ten times. Assuming this is true (and my recollection is accurate), that is a tremendously naturally strong human being. I would agree that Mike was clean before incarceration, but possibly started juicing sometime after.

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                  • I can whoop Super Macho Man pretty easily but never lasted a round with Mike so I'd say, REALLY good.

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                    • I'd say prime Tyson vs Chisora now would be a great 50-50 fight.

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