Comments Thread For: Hearn: 50-50 Deal is Now Possible For Joshua vs. Wilder or Fury

[Blond Beast]

Err, if he doesn't beat Fury he gets nada. Nothing.

Lest we forget, Fury won 10 of 12 rounds in the first bout.

“Nothing” is a harsh statement in a HW division with hundreds of millions up for grabs. It’s not like AJ made less in the rematch vs Ruiz. Manny lost to Bradley before he fought Floyd and that fight did more than I think anyone expected. Sometimes “marinating” blows up but sometimes it actually does achieve the results in the end. AJ vs Wilder will have been in the air long enough that people will still tune in in numbers to see it eventually. I thought Fury beat Wilder, but I don’t expect him to flatten him in a rematch to the point people aren’t going to want to see Wilder again. I don’t see anything happening in the Fury v Wilder fight that would make anyone want to see anybody else but those two fight AJ next. Shouldn’t we be happy that Wilder is willing to fight Fury?

[doom_specialist]

Wilder didn’t know who Joshua was fighting, just that he was being offered a whole lot of money to get the fight he allegedly wanted. Nobody could have predicted Joshua was even going to fight Ruiz at that time, let alone lose to him. The reason his team gave for turning down the offer had nothing to do with any of that...they specifically said it was because they didn’t know what Joshua was going to make, therefore it might not be a fair split. Speculating about all these other scenarios is irrelevant.

When I said worse case, I meant going forward...ie wilder losing to fury and the fight with Joshua getting derailed. It’s still not clear to me that wilder made the right decision at the end of the day.

The deal was good financially. We established that earlier in the argument. The point that I've continuously tried to make is that Wilder getting the Joshua fight was dependent on Joshua winning. If Joshua loses, then he still gets a $40M payday but then he doesn't get the undisputed championship, which would be the overall point of signing the deal. It's why he offered him $50M to fight in America. Looking at our current reality, Wilder opting not to sign looks like the better move, given the benefit of hindsight.

Prizefighters are supposed to fight for the prize, but that didn't stop Joshua from turning down $50M for literally no reason. Wilder IMO had legitimate reasons to reject the deal he received, but looking at it from the outside, criticizing him for not taking it doesn't bother me since $120M should probably clear up whatever issues you have. However, Wilder turning down the deal means that he gets to complete his business with Tyson Fury, which I think is more important at this point, since his purses have increased significantly DAZN deal or not, and I don't get to spend his money in either scenario.

[doom_specialist]

Wilder didn’t know who Joshua was fighting, just that he was being offered a whole lot of money to get the fight he allegedly wanted. Nobody could have predicted Joshua was even going to fight Ruiz at that time, let alone lose to him. The reason his team gave for turning down the offer had nothing to do with any of that...they specifically said it was because they didn’t know what Joshua was going to make, therefore it might not be a fair split. Speculating about all these other scenarios is irrelevant.

When I said worse case, I meant going forward...ie wilder losing to fury and the fight with Joshua getting derailed. It’s still not clear to me that wilder made the right decision at the end of the day.

And we're back. Hope you had a good weekend.

The deal was good financially. We established that earlier in the argument. The point that I've continuously tried to make is that Wilder getting the Joshua fight was dependent on Joshua winning. If Joshua loses, then he still gets a $40M payday but then he doesn't get the undisputed championship, which would be the overall point of signing the deal. It's why he offered him $50M to fight in America. Looking at our current reality, Wilder opting not to sign looks like the better move, given the benefit of hindsight.

Prizefighters are supposed to fight for the prize, but that didn't stop Joshua from turning down $50M for literally no reason. Wilder IMO had legitimate reasons to reject the deal he received, but looking at it from the outside, criticizing him for not taking it doesn't bother me since $120M should probably clear up whatever issues you have. However, Wilder turning down the deal means that he gets to complete his business with Tyson Fury, which I think is more important at this point, since his purses have increased significantly DAZN deal or not, and I don't get to spend his money in either scenario.

[Real King Kong]

The deal was good financially. We established that earlier in the argument. The point that I've continuously tried to make is that Wilder getting the Joshua fight was dependent on Joshua winning. If Joshua loses, then he still gets a $40M payday but then he doesn't get the undisputed championship, which would be the overall point of signing the deal. It's why he offered him $50M to fight in America. Looking at our current reality, Wilder opting not to sign looks like the better move, given the benefit of hindsight.

Prizefighters are supposed to fight for the prize, but that didn't stop Joshua from turning down $50M for literally no reason. Wilder IMO had legitimate reasons to reject the deal he received, but looking at it from the outside, criticizing him for not taking it doesn't bother me since $120M should probably clear up whatever issues you have. However, Wilder turning down the deal means that he gets to complete his business with Tyson Fury, which I think is more important at this point, since his purses have increased significantly DAZN deal or not, and I don't get to spend his money in either scenario.

In hindsight is the only context where it could appear wilder made the “right” decision. Otherwise all he did was refuse a missive amount of money for a tuneup and unification fight. He could have been undisputed champion now if Ruiz didn’t upset the apple cart against all odds. As it sits wilder is further away from being undisputed than where he started with a tough fight ahead which could derail everything. If anything, signing that deal would have kept him in line for aj, which would be next...instead he has to beat fury first.

[doom_specialist]

In hindsight is the only context where it could appear wise all he did was refuse a missive amount of money for a tuneup and unification fight.[/B] He could have been undisputed champion now if Ruiz didn’t upset the apple cart against all odds. As it sits wilder is further away from being undisputed than where he started with a tough fight ahead which could derail everything. If anything, signing that deal would have kept him in line for aj, which would be next...instead he has to beat fury first.

Which, again, is the problem with the deal. Wilder's deal was for a straight up fight. DAZN's deal was for a potential fight down the line, which Wilder may not have wanted if Joshua lost before they met each other. With the current timeline, if Wilder had signed the DAZN, he MIGHT be facing Joshua spring/summer next year, but he's going to fight Fury again instead, which is what people wanted before that deal ever came into play. From a fan perspective, it's a better move, as again I don't spend the man's money so that doesn't matter.

[Real King Kong]

Which, again, is the problem with the deal. Wilder's deal was for a straight up fight. DAZN's deal was for a potential fight down the line, which Wilder may not have wanted if Joshua lost before they met each other. With the current timeline, if Wilder had signed the DAZN, he MIGHT be facing Joshua spring/summer next year, but he's going to fight Fury again instead, which is what people wanted before that deal ever came into play. From a fan perspective, it's a better move, as again I don't spend the man's money so that doesn't matter.

I get what you’re saying, but zero people would have predicted aj was gonna lose that fight...vs Miller or Ruiz. I doubt that had anything to do with why wilder rejected the deal...the prospect of Joshua losing never came up when they explained why they turned the deal down. The problem is that deal was better for wilder than it was for those he works with.

I don’t mind the current situation with wilder fighting fury, but whether wilder will be in a better position than he would have been if he took the 100mil, now depends on him beating fury.

[doom_specialist]

I get what you’re saying, but zero people would have predicted aj was gonna lose that fight...vs Miller or Ruiz. I doubt that had anything to do with why wilder rejected the deal...the prospect of Joshua losing never came up when they explained why they turned the deal down. The problem is that deal was better for wilder than it was for those he works with.

I don’t mind the current situation with wilder fighting fury, but whether wilder will be in a better position than he would have been if he took the 10mil, now depends on him beating fury.

All good points. Wilder rejected the deal for other reasons (that I find legitimate even for a prizefighter), which is why him being criticised for it doesn't bother me per se. It's when people constantly ram through the point that Joshua offered all of this money, while forgetting that Wilder offered a better deal for better money (on a per fight basis), and then call Wilder a duck. No one predicted that Joshua would lose, but the structure of the deal always left open the possibility that everything would fall apart if he did, and then he did.

Wilder could be in a bad place legacy wise, but financially he's doing just fine. I consider guys making $2-3M per fight to be upper echelon in the earnings department. I don't know who all of these hyper rich boxers are that makes Wilder's salary bad. There's maybe only 3 or so people making more than him in the whole business.

[Real King Kong]

All good points. Wilder rejected the deal for other reasons (that I find legitimate even for a prizefighter), which is why him being criticised for it doesn't bother me per se. It's when people constantly ram through the point that Joshua offered all of this money, while forgetting that Wilder offered a better deal for better money (on a per fight basis), and then call Wilder a duck. No one predicted that Joshua would lose, but the structure of the deal always left open the possibility that everything would fall apart if he did, and then he did.

Wilder could be in a bad place legacy wise, but financially he's doing just fine. I consider guys making $2-3M per fight to be upper echelon in the earnings department. I don't know who all of these hyper rich boxers are that makes Wilder's salary bad. There's maybe only 3 or so people making more than him in the whole business.

Yea...they’re all doing fine. They’re gonna make millions regardless of which ones make it to a blockbuster fight.

[Angeljuice]

So what you're saying is, Wilder is hiding and fighting nobody, while he fights the best heavyweight in the world for a second time? He (should've) lost on points, but was also 1 millisecond away from winning by knockout, and everyone knows that could've easily been waved off by teh ref immediately. He tried to get an immediate rematch but Fury signed with ESPN and delayed it by a year. Seems odd somebody would want an immediate rematch if they are afraid of losing their belt and "hiding".

Man, I knew AJ fans weren't the smartest but this is getting too easy. See below for when AJ declined 50 million dollars to fight for undisputed, while he ran away to fight bums and got knocked out by a fat cheeseburger walrus. You have 1 credible win with an asterisk, Klitchko, 2 years out of the ring and already embarrassed by Fury, the guy Wilder is fighting for a second time. Common opponent? Breazeale, which AJ took 8 rounds to finally beat him into submission, while Wilder knocked him out with ease with 1 punch inside the first round.

AJ has no chin, Wilder is the hardest puncher in history, you do the math. Who is scared of who??? LOL

I have an IQ of 142.

AJ has no chin? Not true at all, if anything his defence let's him down and leaves him open.
I can see why a novice could be confused though, but it was one fight that he lost and Ruiz hit him in the temple which affects equilibrium, he was concussed and never recovered.

Wilder is the hardest puncher going, but his boxing IQ is very limited and he doesn't have the skill set of AJ.

AJ is a big hitter too (second only to Wilder), he can outbox Wilder no problem and I don't think Deontay will be around long enough to land that punch (neither does he).

Ortiz has had the better of Wilder for both 7 and 5 rounds in their two fights. AJ is a lot better than Ortiz, is bigger, hits harder and if Wilder needs 5-7 rounds to get his arm firing on all cylinders, he may well find he's been KO'd inside 4.

[Sid-Knee]

You posted the offer for a 4 fight deal yourself? I'm deflecting from something we agree on?

If he takes the 3 fight deal, then it wouldn't matter because Joshua loses to Ruiz and then what? Big payday and no belts? Belts and no payday? Wait and hope he wins? I'm not speaking madness. Based on what happened this year, Wilder would have either fought his second bum, settled for Ruiz, or been stuck waiting.

You said Wilder was "Required" to take 2 fights before the AJ fights. Which is a lie. Go and type in the word "Required" into Google and ask for it's definition. That's another word you've failed to understand. Whilst you're there' also look at the definition of the word "Deflection".

Once finished, hang yourself so as not to go through life like the freak you clearly are. Take the other sub-humans from your mental asylum with you as well. Do the world a f3cking favour. Do yourself a favour.

F3cking weirdo!!!!