Comments Thread For: Hearn: 50-50 Deal is Now Possible For Joshua vs. Wilder or Fury

[doom_specialist]

What you’ve been told? Do you know the details, or is it just speculation and hearsay? Worst case considered, he’d still be in the same position he’s in now with a guaranteed Joshua fight next. He chose his path, and I respect he stuck to his guns...but it didn’t get him any closer to his goal and has cost him money.

All of the Joshua nuts say it, so if it's not true then that's just another point for me. I try not to pretend I know the details of contracts I've never read, and the argument was used against me, so I ran with it instead of bickering. This is because whether it's true or not, it doesn't affect the timeline of events.

Worst case he'd be waiting for the aftermath of the Ruiz loss, because he fought Brezeale just a few weeks before Joshua-Ruiz I, and that would have been the first fight of his contract if he made a deal with Hearn earlier in the year. So he could fight beltless Joshua for a lot of money, or he could fight Ruiz for the belts and likely be accused of being a paper champ for not fighting Fury. Best case, he gets a tarnished Joshua (that still could lose again), and everyone would likely accuse him of ducking Fury. He might have taken a financial hit, but the immediate Fury rematch was the better move IMO. His only chance to get Joshua would be mid-late 2020 in either case, but if it comes after proving his doubters wrong with a Fury KO, it would do wonders for his hurting resume.

[Real King Kong]

All of the Joshua nuts say it, so if it's not true then that's just another point for me. I try not to pretend I know the details of contracts I've never read, and the argument was used against me, so I ran with it instead of bickering. This is because whether it's true or not, it doesn't affect the timeline of events.

Worst case he'd be waiting for the aftermath of the Ruiz loss, because he fought Brezeale just a few weeks before Joshua-Ruiz I, and that would have been the first fight of his contract if he made a deal with Hearn earlier in the year. So he could fight beltless Joshua for a lot of money, or he could fight Ruiz for the belts and likely be accused of being a paper champ for not fighting Fury. Best case, he gets a tarnished Joshua (that still could lose again), and everyone would likely accuse him of ducking Fury. He might have taken a financial hit, but the immediate Fury rematch was the better move IMO. His only chance to get Joshua would be mid-late 2020 in either case, but if it comes after proving his doubters wrong with a Fury KO, it would do wonders for his hurting resume.

So if something you’re repeating to facilitate your argument turns out to be untrue, it’s “another point” for you? Yea, ok.

The worst case here, is wilder loses to fury and the Joshua fight either doesn’t happen, or completely loses it’s lustre.

I mean, these guys are all making a lot of money either way, so I suppose it doesn’t really matter...but 100-120mil is a different kind of money. From the outside looking in, it would appear utterly insane to turn down that kind of $$$.

[doom_specialist]

So if something you’re repeating to facilitate your argument turns out to be untrue, it’s “another point” for you? Yea, ok.

The worst case here, is wilder loses to fury and the Joshua fight either doesn’t happen, or completely loses it’s lustre.

I mean, these guys are all making a lot of money either way, so I suppose it doesn’t really matter...but 100-120mil is a different kind of money. From the outside looking in, it would appear utterly insane to turn down that kind of $$$.

I rather clearly stated that it doesn't affect the timeline of events, and thus I chose not to argue. Neither one of us knows the pay per fight because we've never read the contract with our own eyes. Whether he gets paid the way the fanatics say or not, it doesn't change that Joshua would have lost after Wilder had his first fight under DAZN contracts, going by actual dates. That's been my point all along, which is why a person who would create a scenario that ironically facilitated my point, would be my "point". It's in this thread which is why I said that.

The deal to my knowledge wasn't on the table before Fury fought Wilder, and even if it were, it's strange that Hearn would give the deal to Wilder. Joshua himself said that he wanted Fury to win the rematch because he felt he would make more money with him, and everyone thinks that Fury was the rightful winner. Regardless, Wilder fought Fury in 12/18, and rejected the deal in 03/19, so your timeline is off. And yeah, the money doesn't matter, which is why I'm also glad Wilder didn't take the deal, because he's going to settle his business with a guy who everyone feels beat him, and he's still going to make a bunch of money for it.

[Real King Kong]

I rather clearly stated that it doesn't affect the timeline of events, and thus I chose not to argue. Neither one of us knows the pay per fight because we've never read the contract with our own eyes. Whether he gets paid the way the fanatics say or not, it doesn't change that Joshua would have lost after Wilder had his first fight under DAZN contracts, going by actual dates. That's been my point all along, which is why a person who would create a scenario that ironically facilitated my point, would be my "point". It's in this thread which is why I said that.

The deal to my knowledge wasn't on the table before Fury fought Wilder, and even if it were, it's strange that Hearn would give the deal to Wilder. Joshua himself said that he wanted Fury to win the rematch because he felt he would make more money with him, and everyone thinks that Fury was the rightful winner. Regardless, Wilder fought Fury in 12/18, and rejected the deal in 03/19, so your timeline is off. And yeah, the money doesn't matter, which is why I'm also glad Wilder didn't take the deal, because he's going to settle his business with a guy who everyone feels beat him, and he's still going to make a bunch of money for it.

Wilder didn’t know who Joshua was fighting, just that he was being offered a whole lot of money to get the fight he allegedly wanted. Nobody could have predicted Joshua was even going to fight Ruiz at that time, let alone lose to him. The reason his team gave for turning down the offer had nothing to do with any of that...they specifically said it was because they didn’t know what Joshua was going to make, therefore it might not be a fair split. Speculating about all these other scenarios is irrelevant.

When I said worse case, I meant going forward...ie wilder losing to fury and the fight with Joshua getting derailed. It’s still not clear to me that wilder made the right decision at the end of the day.

[TheUptownKid]

That sounds good and if Wilder beats fury his recent record looks much better, but it sounds like talk.

If I’m wilder, i say fcuk fury and go straight into a fight with joshua should they be willing to negotiate. Fury talked rematch before, then snuck in two euro bums between matches, why wouldn’t wilder jerk him around and sneak in a real fight vs Joshua? The only sticking point is the miserable negotiation history between the parties.

[The D3vil]

They said so because they're deranged and needed to justify Wilder ducking like the coward he is.

For 50/50 to be legit, they would both need to bring in the same kind of dollars. The entire division combined doesn't even match AJ, let alone a bum who hasn't beaten a single good fighter in his worthless career. All it has been is failure. That's what Wilder is. The biggest fraud boxing has ever seen.

Well then apparently Eddie Hearn is deranged because he's saying it should be a 50/50 fight now

*shrugs*

[chicken-]

Well then apparently Eddie Hearn is deranged because he's saying it should be a 50/50 fight now

*shrugs*

Just like Joshua rejecting the $50 million offer, it's something AJ fans will intentionally ignore and continue spouting off nonsense.

Just keep repeating it every time an idiot replies.

[sicko]

That is GREAT News but people in Boxing tend to Flip Flop and contradict themselves so I won't get too happy but yeah if Wilder vs Fury II does as good as expected then yeah the winner of that vs AJ is even BIGGER now

All 3 Need to fight each other regardless for legacy they cannot leave any doubt in a ERA that is really not all that great. They are 1, 2, 3 in which ever order you prefer and for them not to fight each other would

Some of you don't want these fights to really happen so you keep holding on to old negotiation not working out. Stop trying to protect your Man Crushes and push for all of them to fight and accept no excuses from any of them

[Angeljuice]

Pretty convenient that he asks for the big fights AFTER Wilder agrees to fight Fury twice this year and while he has 2 mandatories himself to take care of. Wilder is so scared of losing he goes right back to fight Fury as soon as possible even though the entire world believes he lost (again, 1 millisecond away from winning by knockout). I mean, this is also after he accepted the 50 million dollar offer and then rejected it when he found out his contract holders would take a chunk of it.

Selective memory is the go-to for AJ fans apparently.

If you claim to demand the big fights and all you care about is unification, 50/50 sounds like a worthwhile compromise. Now that Eddie Hearn is saying the winner of Fury/Wilder is worth 50/50 AJ fans will still ignore it and continue spouting rhetoric. The best one is "they told him to sign without telling him the terms". I guess they were demanding AJ sign a blank paper with a signature line, that's the logic of AJ fans.

Wilder hides from all the best fighters, not just AJ.
He has fought nobody other than Fury of any note and tried to hype Ortiz into something he isn't.

He wants Fury and Ortiz in an endless loop until he retires. He is very happy to sit on his single belt and never risk losing it by fighting the best.

He has avoided all of the best fighters of his generation and only accepted Fury when he thought Fury was past hope.

So he has fought one World class boxer who beat him on points. Really impressive, you buy into that BS if you want to, I judge on deeds, not words.

[chicken-]

Wilder hides from all the best fighters, not just AJ.
He has fought nobody other than Fury of any note and tried to hype Ortiz into something he isn't.

He wants Fury and Ortiz in an endless loop until he retires. He is very happy to sit on his single belt and never risk losing it by fighting the best.

He has avoided all of the best fighters of his generation and only accepted Fury when he thought Fury was past hope.

So he has fought one World class boxer who beat him on points. Really impressive, you buy into that BS if you want to, I judge on deeds, not words.

So what you're saying is, Wilder is hiding and fighting nobody, while he fights the best heavyweight in the world for a second time? He (should've) lost on points, but was also 1 millisecond away from winning by knockout, and everyone knows that could've easily been waved off by teh ref immediately. He tried to get an immediate rematch but Fury signed with ESPN and delayed it by a year. Seems odd somebody would want an immediate rematch if they are afraid of losing their belt and "hiding".

Man, I knew AJ fans weren't the smartest but this is getting too easy. See below for when AJ declined 50 million dollars to fight for undisputed, while he ran away to fight bums and got knocked out by a fat cheeseburger walrus. You have 1 credible win with an asterisk, Klitchko, 2 years out of the ring and already embarrassed by Fury, the guy Wilder is fighting for a second time. Common opponent? Breazeale, which AJ took 8 rounds to finally beat him into submission, while Wilder knocked him out with ease with 1 punch inside the first round.

AJ has no chin, Wilder is the hardest puncher in history, you do the math. Who is scared of who??? LOL