PBC hypocrisy at its finest

[brettWall]

Which thread are you talking about?

[Curt Henning]

I forgot to add Tevin Farmer vs. Gervonta Davis to the list of hypocrisy. Farmer had to take less money and fight on a PBC platform because he’s not the star.

Those rules don’t apply to Wilder-Joshua for some reason.

joshua/wilder is a much different fight than the ones youve discussed

much different

wilder/aj is now like a 150-200 million dollar fight

spence/crawford aint....tank/farmer aint....neither are even close in stature...and part of what makes aj/wilder that big is US PPV money...in which wilder will have a hand in as his profile is rising daily and hes closing the gap between him and AJ(although AJ still has it by a good margin...dont be fooled by AJs big numbers in the ruiz rematch...if people were that interested the first fight would have done big numbers...people were intrigued to see if it would happen again and AJs career would be essentially over)

tank davis has done 7 straight showtime headliners/ppvs...has sold out in his hometown and make, ballpark, what loma does per fight already at age 25...nobody knows WTF farmer is and nobody really cares about him

in the case of spence/crawford is close to a 50/50 deal...but if spence comes back and takes a belt of pac and does a good ppv with him then things sway in spences direction.......there are simply fights for spence to make in house that are solid and will do well...and arum would do the same thing in the pbc's position without question....arum even thought he could hurt wilder by holding fury away from him for awhile(make no mistake some of that was arum trying to get back at haymon)....

comparing charlo, spence/crawford, tank/farmer to AJ/wilder is nuts...not a single one of those fights moves the needle like AJ/wilder.....that is huge business

[N/A]

We don’t know that Spence is a bigger draw than Crawford.

We also know that neither of them will do a 50-50 split with Crawford because they don’t want to fight him.

You've already admitted Mikey Garcia is a bigger draw than Crawford and Mikey gave Spence a 50/50 split.

We do know that Spence is a bigger draw than Crawford because Spence does hundreds of thousands of buys on PPV while Crawford barely does a hundred thousand buys.

Both Crawford PPVs totally flopped and lost tons of money.

Both Spence PPVs were big successes.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Spence fought Mikey Garcia and then unified with Shawn Porter on PPV.

Crawford fought Postol and Khan on PPV.

Would you expect Spence-Postol or Spence-Khan to do well on PPV?

Me neither!

I would have expect Crawford-Garcia and Crawford-Porter to do the exact same numbers as Spence’s fights with those two. Because Spence wasn’t the draw, the draw was the undefeated mexican-american and a unification fight at welterweight.

You've already admitted Mikey Garcia is a bigger draw than Crawford and Mikey gave Spence a 50/50 split.

We do know that Spence is a bigger draw than Crawford because Spence does hundreds of thousands of buys on PPV while Crawford barely does a hundred thousand buys.

Both Crawford PPVs totally flopped and lost tons of money.

Both Spence PPVs were big successes.

[N/A]

Spence fought Mikey Garcia and then unified with Shawn Porter on PPV.

Crawford fought Postol and Khan on PPV.

Would you expect Spence-Postol or Spence-Khan to do well on PPV?

Crawford vs. Postol was a unification just like Spence vs. Porter. Crawford and Spence were the clear A-sides in both of those fights and Postol and Porter weren't draws. Crawford's fight tanked because nobody cares about Crawford and Spence's fight did well because a lot of people care about Spence.

Khan is a much bigger star than Porter. If Khan had fought Spence instead of Crawford, it would have done twice as many buys as Khan vs. Crawford.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Postal is a no name and you’re comparing a welterweight unification and a 140 pound unification.

If Khan is such a huge star, why did his fight with Canelo do half the buys of Canelo-GGG?

Crawford vs. Postol was a unification just like Spence vs. Porter. Crawford and Spence were the clear A-sides in both of those fights and Postol and Porter weren't draws. Crawford's fight tanked because nobody cares about Crawford and Spence's fight did well because a lot of people care about Spence.

Khan is a much bigger star than Porter. If Khan had fought Spence instead of Crawford, it would have done twice as many buys as Khan vs. Crawford.

[N/A]

Postal is a no name and you’re comparing a welterweight unification and a 140 pound unification.

Crawford vs. Postol did less than 50,000 buys. Spence vs. Postol would do way more than 50,000 buys.

Crawford isn't a draw.

If Khan is such a huge star, why did his fight with Canelo do half the buys of Canelo-GGG?

Because GGG is a bigger star than Khan and Canelo vs. GGG was a fight people had been begging for for a very long time. The middleweight dream match. Canelo vs. Khan was a fight nobody asked for and still did 600,000 buys. Much more than Canelo vs. Porter would have done.

[The Big Dunn]

Why is it that when posters have a discussion with one or 2 other posters, they then post about “pbc fans” as if every person that posts positively about pbc and doesn’t hate Haymon agrees with those posters?

[Jax teller]

Why is it that when posters have a discussion with one or 2 other posters, they then post about “pbc fans” as if every person that posts positively about pbc and doesn’t hate Haymon agrees with those posters?

The same reason you do it with 'Brits' and 'AJ fans', 'Loma fans' etc.

[Jax teller]

joshua/wilder is a much different fight than the ones youve discussed

much different

wilder/aj is now like a 150-200 million dollar fight

spence/crawford aint....tank/farmer aint....neither are even close in stature...and part of what makes aj/wilder that big is US PPV money...in which wilder will have a hand in as his profile is rising daily and hes closing the gap between him and AJ(although AJ still has it by a good margin...dont be fooled by AJs big numbers in the ruiz rematch...if people were that interested the first fight would have done big numbers...people were intrigued to see if it would happen again and AJs career would be essentially over)

tank davis has done 7 straight showtime headliners/ppvs...has sold out in his hometown and make, ballpark, what loma does per fight already at age 25...nobody knows WTF farmer is and nobody really cares about him

in the case of spence/crawford is close to a 50/50 deal...but if spence comes back and takes a belt of pac and does a good ppv with him then things sway in spences direction.......there are simply fights for spence to make in house that are solid and will do well...and arum would do the same thing in the pbc's position without question....arum even thought he could hurt wilder by holding fury away from him for awhile(make no mistake some of that was arum trying to get back at haymon)....

comparing charlo, spence/crawford, tank/farmer to AJ/wilder is nuts...not a single one of those fights moves the needle like AJ/wilder.....that is huge business

Lol if AJ -Wilder is a 200 million dollar fight that's AJ's money, Wilders show just made a loss paying him 20 mil.