Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua - What Happens If It Happens Again?

[davefromvancouv]

This is what happens when you buy the hype. One is medicated by their idiocy/naivety. Or one is getting paid to continue the hype via modification. Personally I think it's the latter. Joshua worked hard to get where he was. But he was maneuvered deftly. Klitch was over the hill and the rest of his resume is mediocre. He was steered away from Wilder for ten years. Then knocked out by Ruiz, who was agreed upon ONLY because it was thought he was another bum.That is his legacy.

Swings and Roundabouts. Wilder was PUBLICALLY swerved well clear of Klitschko by Shelly Finkel, so that's deft manoeuvring as well because its lead to Wilder having an even worse resume but being a World Champion.

I'd like to know the definition of 'hype by modification' and how that relates to Joshua.

You didn't finish. Shelly Finkel was the manager of both Klitschko AND Wilder, and Klitschko was his CASH COW in the twilight of his career. He was obviously steered clear of Wilder, who was a dangerous up and coming heavyweight puncher, similar to Samuel Peter who had knocked Klitschko down three times 10 years prior when Klitschko was still in his PRIME. Klitschko even tried to bypass Wilder for the WBC belt, but Wilder refused the step aside money. Once Wilder had the belt, Klitschko was no longer interested in the one belt he never possessed... Coincidence?

When Joshua came on the scene, he chose a much safer path unifying the belts, avoiding the only champion at the time (Wilder) and OVERPAYING Charles Martin for the IBF belt. Martin, Klitschko and Parker did the same, fighting a still-green Joshua for much less risk and much more money. When it came time to fight Wilder, Joshua was suddenly no longer interested in overpaying. He wouldn't even fight Wilder for $50 million, telling his supporters that if they wanted the fight so bad, "you go train and you fight him". Joshua would go on to fight Povetkin, then Ruiz... Four knockdowns later, we have the Ruiz rematch...

[Jkp]

If he loses again, he's David Price-level.

UK need a new David price. He's retired.

AJ is the black David Price.

[OldTerry]

If he loses, it won’t ruin the career he’s already had. Look at RJJ, Mike Tyson, and others like them who ended up having an amazing early career and tanking in the second half. They’re still considered legends.

Joshua has done well but at this point in his career he has done nothing to attain legendary status. Let him beat Ruiz, Fury and Wilder and he will have a toehold on being considered legendary but with still no guarantees.

[OldTerry]

The real question is Are they allowing women to come to the fight ?

Good question. With it being illegal for a woman to drive it does make you wonder.

[OldTerry]

The ref ruined the fight as a spectacle, but when it came to the boxing Parker was so far off Joshua's level. Did he win more than 2 rounds?

Has there ever been a more one sided fight to have such a controversial status on this forum?

I'm not sure how you could watch that fight and come away being "pretty sure" of a Parker win. It's not like the fight was even close.

If the ref had allowed Parker the latitude to fight on the inside it would have changed the whole fight. So it's actually not fair to conclude that Joshua was the better boxer. I'd like to see a rematch where the ref doesn't change the fabric of the fight.

[OldTerry]

That's just ridiculous. Why would Joshua retire when he could still KO 90%+ of the HW division?

There is divided opinion as to whether Joshua can beat Wilder and Fury. Those are the other names in the hat as being #1 in the division. So if you are better than 90% of the division, lose once but still potentially beat Wilder, please explain why on earth Joshua should retire if he loses?

I'll give you a three reasons. 1) He has all the money he'll ever need 2) To fight on would not add to his legacy 3) Why risk the brain damage that getting hit too many times in the head can bring

[theaside]

It's not over for AJ if he looses to Andy again, like DaNeutral. and hugh grant said earlier in the thread it just means Andy has his number and sadly I'm thinking he does have his number, I don't see AJ winning the rematch.

I think he's going to come out like a scared little girl in the rematch to win on points, and if that's true Andy will catch him.

He has no chin, you just gotta hit him hard and he gets hurt. A shame really, was hoping he would surpass Lennox' legacy but I don't see it happening.

[Noelanthony]

There's a massive asterisk beside his "quality" win over Parker.

Without the refs help I'm pretty sure Oilskin would have flattened the giant glass jawed robot, just like ruiz did with an inside counter punching game.

I'd suggest watching the Ruiz Parker fight again and marvel at the hand speed and rock solid whiskers of both fighters.

It's no coincidence everyone is ducking Parker and Fast Eddie is doing to him what he did with Ortiz when he was with matchroom.

Joshua doesn’t have a glass chin. Who has ever hit his chin and he has been flattened? I think the only person that shattered his chin was Klitschko and he got up so quickly I don’t think there was a count. He has been belted on his chin but some fairly heavy hitters. You can’t get hit on the temple go down and then claim that fighter has a glass jaw. Robotic ? Yes I can’t argue with you . Does Whyte have a glass jaw because he has been put to sleep in the ring.

[Noelanthony]

You didn't finish. Shelly Finkel was the manager of both Klitschko AND Wilder, and Klitschko was his CASH COW in the twilight of his career. He was obviously steered clear of Wilder, who was a dangerous up and coming heavyweight puncher, similar to Samuel Peter who had knocked Klitschko down three times 10 years prior when Klitschko was still in his PRIME. Klitschko even tried to bypass Wilder for the WBC belt, but Wilder refused the step aside money. Once Wilder had the belt, Klitschko was no longer interested in the one belt he never possessed... Coincidence?

When Joshua came on the scene, he chose a much safer path unifying the belts, avoiding the only champion at the time (Wilder) and OVERPAYING Charles Martin for the IBF belt. Martin, Klitschko and Parker did the same, fighting a still-green Joshua for much less risk and much more money. When it came time to fight Wilder, Joshua was suddenly no longer interested in overpaying. He wouldn't even fight Wilder for $50 million, telling his supporters that if they wanted the fight so bad, "you go train and you fight him". Joshua would go on to fight Povetkin, then Ruiz... Four knockdowns later, we have the Ruiz rematch...

Good to see you are still alive and kicking. Always a pleasure reading your nonsense🤫

[pollywog]

I suggest you watch Parkers fight with Whyte. Parker has no killer instinct. Hes not flattening Joshua or any top guy. Hes missing that certain something. Ducking Parker is only happening in your mind.

Parker was fighting concussed after a headbutt the ref counted as a knockdown in the 2nd round then went on to flatten whyte in the championship round.

Whyte knows he ain't ever gonna get back in with Parker cos he'd lose and Chisora has been quacking ever since his bout was called off.

Usyk won't risk his mando and neither will Pulev cos they know how dangerous Parker is.

Gentleman Joe might lack a killer instinct but he'd still flatten a lot of pretenders out there and test them to their limits over the distance.