Anthony Joshua has a chance to make history this weekend.

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Who has Eubank beat? BJS has beat Andy Lee, Willie Monroe, David Lemieux, John Ryder etc.

You are judging the name value of the fighters, not what those fighters had actually proven. Boxrec shows you what has been proven in the ring, when all hype, marketing and promotion has been removed.

If Boxrec pops your bubble and preconceived notions, that's your own problem.

Saunders is very low on points on Boxrec because he's been extremely inactive, fought three absolute nobodies in a row, and is feather fisted, so his wins aren't worth as much.

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Maybe I worded that poorly. I didn't mean for it to seem argumentative, I agree.

You didn't come across argumentative at all. You seemed genuinely curious about my reasoning, so I explained my reasoning. I know it's difficult sometimes to perceive tone online.

[Zelda]

If he wins, he deserves it. Becoming unified world heavyweight champion once isn't easy. Twice is a once in a decade kind of thing. Major respect to Joshua if he pulls it off this weekend.

Why do people try to portray a "two-time champion" as some sort of achievement?

Doesn't that mean someone beat the crap out of you? How is that an achievement?

It would be if you retire and come back and regain your titles..I can see that, but otherwise, it means you ain't that good a fighter that someone beat you.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You are judging the name value of the fighters, not what those fighters had actually proven. Boxrec shows you what has been proven in the ring, when all hype, marketing and promotion has been removed.

If Boxrec pops your bubble and preconceived notions, that's your own problem.

Saunders is very low on points on Boxrec because he's been extremely inactive, fought three absolute nobodies in a row, and is feather fisted, so his wins aren't worth as much.

I asked you who Eubank had beat? You provided no names.

Let’s break it down in terms of world champions defeated.

Active champions
Saunders 1
Eubank 0

Former/Current.
Saunders 2
Eubank 2

Nothing to do with name value...


Thoughts on the other examples????

You seem to have conveniently avoided them.

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Why do people try to portray a "two-time champion" as some sort of achievement?

Because only one heavyweight in history retired as undefeated champion.

Which means everyone loses.

And very few are able to regain the title, let alone regain multiple titles.

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I asked you who Eubank had beat? You provided no names.

Chris Eubank accumulated his points thanks to several wins. He beat James DeGale, which was worth a lot of points because DeGale has so many quality wins. Eubank knocked out Avni Yildrim, Tom Doran and Chudinov when they were undefeated. He routed Arthur Abraham, who had a lot of points after years of quality wins. He also stopped Spike O’Sullivan.

Let’s break it down in terms of world champions defeated.

No, let's not. The whole point of Boxrec is to cut through the BS hype and marketing, which is all the world titles are. If Charr retires tomorrow, Trevor Bryan will be named WBA world champion, even though his recent opponents have had records of 2-26, etc. Boxrec rightly sees through that and rates him accordingly.

[Just looking]

I don't know if it is raising the bar as to do it you have to lose in the way

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Chris Eubank accumulated his points thanks to several wins. He beat James DeGale, which was worth a lot of points because DeGale has so many quality wins. Eubank knocked out Avni Yildrim, Tom Doran and Chudinov when they were undefeated. He routed Arthur Abraham, who had a lot of points after years of quality wins. He also stopped Spike O’Sullivan.




No, let's not. The whole point of Boxrec is to cut through the BS hype and marketing, which is all the world titles are. If Charr retires tomorrow, Trevor Bryan will be named WBA world champion, even though his recent opponents have had records of 2-26, etc. Boxrec rightly sees through that and rates him accordingly.

Lol... Ryder was undefeated. O'Sullivan was undefeated, so were Fletcher, Eubank, Blandemura and Coceres. That’s contradicts your own logic.

Doran and Spike barely had any boxrec points when Eubank fought them, so you’re not even using the system correctly.

Abraham and DeGale were both at the very end of their careers and far past their primes. You’re buying into all the marketing and BS by suggesting they are legitimate wins.

Per Boxrec ratings Eubank has only beat 1 fighter in Abraham with 400+ pts. However Saunders has beat two as both Lee and Lemieux had 400+.
So even by that metric Saunders should be higher. As I said it’s utter nonsense.


ANY THOUGHTS ON THE OTHER EXAMPLES?????

You seem to have conveniently avoided them. Again....

[Articulateboxin]

This is something I hadn't even considered, nice post!

I'm not overly confident with AJs demenour and body language...he didn't know which day it was during the press conference and thought he was weighing in tomorrow. (the press conference was yesterday, weigh in is obviously friday) Of course everybody makes mistakes and loses track, but he seems quite a regimented dude and that was an eye brow raiser for me! I'd really like to see him win, he seems like such a dedicated dude and he's brought so much more attention to the sport we love.

I fly over there tomorrow and regardless of the outcome, i just hope the whole card is great and all the guys finish healthy.

[Mr. Philadel]

AJ is not the best HW in the division but he’s gonna win this rematch