Deontay Wilder chasing Mayweather's record

[daggum]

Wilder is #1 in the Boxrec computerized ratings.

Nobody can claim anymore that he hasn't fought anybody. He's #1 in the world. With all bias removed, looking at nothing but the hard numbers, Wilder is #1 now. People just have to deal with it.

yep the hard numbers prove it! facts don't lie! how do they get those numbers...who cares!

[AJ's Boy]

Who cares? Wilder is a Heavyweight KO artist. Mayweather was a lightweight runner.

[-Kev-]

It’s not really Wilder’s fault that his resume sucks, but yeah it does suck. He was ducked hard by a couple of fighters though. But I won’t sit here and pretend it’s a good resume like GGG fans.

[N/A]

how do they get those numbers...

Points are redistributed by every bout. No points come in or get out of the system by this basic rating process
But points get out of the system by career end, by point reductions due to inactivity or missing opponent quality
So additional points must be fed into the system
- 0.01 points, when a boxer wins a bout
- 0.1 points, when a boxer defeats an opponent, who already won a bout within 18 months
- 1 point, when a boxer defeats an opponent, who already won a bout against a winning opponent within 18 months
- when defeating an opponent within the top 15 percent of all active boxers, who already defeated an opponent within the top 15 percent of all active boxers (top 15 percent limit 2019: men = 4.89 points, women = 1.87 points)
-- 8 points at least
-- as much points as the defeated opponent had before the bout
-- 40 points at most
-- with weight = 1, when the opponent had no loss after his top win, with weight = 1/2 after 1 loss, with weight = 1/4 after 2 losses etc
-- with weight = 1 within 18 months after the opponents top bout, with weight = 1/2 thereafter and decreasing by a factor of 1/2 per another 18 months
- all with weight = cd * v; cd = clear decision factor and v = bout value
Every boxer gets a first rating of 0 before his first bout.
After every bout, the ratings of the two boxers involved are changed depending on the bout's official result (KO, TKO, RTD, UD, PTS, NWS, MD, SD, DQ, TD, DRAW).
The value of a result varies between v=1 and v=0.
The clear decision factor varies between cd=1 and cd=0.
The winner cannot lose points for KO, TKO, RTD, DQ, TD and decisions on points with cd=1
KO, TKO, RTD are rewarded with full value v=1, cd=1.
NWS is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=1.
UD, PTS, DQ, TD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed, clear decision factor cd=1. If the score cards are available, it may be less.
MD, SD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor is limited to cd=0.5. If the score cards are available cd may be less.
DRAW is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.
If the score cards are available, the value rewarded is in direct proportion to the rounds boxed, with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more. The clear decision factor is in proportion to rounds boxed and the mean score difference per judge. cd=1 for a mean score difference per judge of 50% of the rounds boxed.
All bouts are regarded to have the same weight independent of titles.
The winner gets a certain part of the opponent's points and a certain part of the rating difference to the opponent's rating.
For a DRAW the rating of the higher rated boxer is reduced by some part of the point difference; the rating of the lower rated boxer is enhanced by the same amount of points.
The full relative point reward is 33%. It is in direct proportion to the pre-bout rating of the defeated opponent.
The rating of a boxer is reduced, if he didn't box an opponent with a rating of at least 50% of his own rating points within 18 months.
The rating of a boxer is reduced by up to 50% in proportion to the difference of 2 times the rating points of his best opponent in this time period minus his own rating
The reduction is in proportion to the time the requirement was missed.
The rating of a boxer is reduced by 50% for every time period of inactivity of 18 months - and to even less in proportion to a longer time period of inactivity
The pre-bout rating of a successfully debuting boxer is set to 25% of his opponents pre-bout rating.
The rating points are in relation to a weight division. The rating points are converted with the cube of the upper weight limit ratio of the old and new weight division.
The winner is always rated higher than the loser. the minimum margin is: mean pre-bout ratings of both r_m = (r_a + r_b)/2; r_new_winner = r_m + earn_f*v*cd/4; r_new_loser= r_m - earn_f*v*cd/4
Formula

If a boxer with a rating of r_a before the fight defeats a boxer b with a rating of r_b before the fight with result of value v, clear decision factor cd, the new regular ratings r_a_new and r_b_new after a fight are:
earn = 1/3 * v * (r_b*cd + (r_b-r_a)/(1+2*cd));
r_a_new = r_a + earn_a
r_b_new = r_b - earn_b
The winner gets additional points.
Rating reduction caused by missing opponent quality:
career_top_rating = highest career rating adapted to bout division days = days between bout with best opponent before and bout with best opponent after reduction
r_red-career_top_rating/10 = (r_old-career_top_rating/10) * (1 - 0.5*(1 - 2*best_opp/r_old))**(days/(365.24*1.5))

[ShaneMosleySr]

Why didn’t anyone care when Yory Boy Campus started 56-0?

Was it because only real boxing fans knew who he was and realized there were much longer unbeaten streaks in boxing history?

[True-Boxing-Fan]

Wilders KO of Ortiz was very impressive. He is a great Athlete.

However, when he then says that he is on track to equal or beat Floyd Mayweather's 50-0 record, I find it hard to keep that respect for any more than 5 minutes.

More than 50% of Wilder's fights have been against nobodies. Arguably, his first "big" fight was Audley Harrison.

Following the Ortiz fight, he started claiming that people MUST start taking his record and abilities seriously. How can you take his record seriously when half of his career has been a joke!

I'm really open to being proven wrong because his KO of Breazeale and now, Ortiz, was highlight.

Audrey Harrison is his first “big fight”. GTFOH. Audley Harrison is a garbage fighter.

Out of all of Wilders fights. His ONLY credible opponent is Fury, first Ortiz fight , and maybe you can add the first Stiverne fight. And he pretty much lost to Fury and in the original Ortiz fight he was just about stopped.

So him chasing any record should be laughed at just as hard as we laugh at 98% of his opponents.

[YoungManRumble]

The Connor mcgregor fight taints it.

What I thought everyone retired fighting someone who was debuting in a cross over circus match? Isn't that how you properly pass the torch?

[sicko]

A Record that nobody cares about besides Mayweather

[GhostofDempsey]

For one thing, he will still have the draw on his record, so it will never be quite perfect. For another, 50-0 is not the benchmark for greatness. It's what you did inside of those wins that counts. Floyd's 50-0 is smoke and mirrors, flash before substance. If Wilder goes 50-0-1, it's an even bigger joke since he competes in the worst HW era of all time! On a P4P basis, his skills are dreadful. In any other era, Wilder would be just another one-trick pony with a long string of KO losses.

[Real King Kong]

What I thought everyone retired fighting someone who was debuting in a cross over circus match? Isn't that how you properly pass the torch?

Apparently that’s how records are broken. Tbh, I’m not sure how it got sanctioned as a boxing match. Oh well...”50-0 doe”.