Joshua’s team doesn’t pay fair market value

[ShaneMosleySr]

Wilder was offered that $12.5 million about three fights ago.

He countered with a fair offer, $50 million, and was turned down.

So I think it’s very fair to bring it up.

how can you combine 2 separate points in history and pretend they are the same? the 12.5 was made when wilder was making 1 million. hardly a bad offer. then he was offered 40 and he's still only making 20 so what is your point again? the whole reason wilders pay jumped is because of the offers! without them why would haymon overpay wilder so much? you aren't looking at the context as to why wilders pay has jumped. its because haymon wants him to stay with pbc so bad and even haymon couldn't get wilder that 100 million over 3 fights. hes at 40 million for 2. 60 million for his next one? seems unlikely.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Ortiz had two offers to compare. $6 million to fight Joshua or $7 million to fight Wilder. Joshua is the way bigger draw. Joshua would make more for the fight than Wilder will make for this rematch. Therefore, Ortiz isn’t being offered fair market value.

If Ortiz is getting $7M, why do you think that is?

It's not because that is 'market value'. The market isn't there to support paying a guy like Ortiz $7M.

It's because Joshua offered a similar amount. They're offering above market for these fighters. Now Haymon is doing the same.

Don't think $6M or $7M was fair? How anyone could call it 'lowball' is beyond me.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Fighting Joshua should be worth way more money to a fighter than fighting Wilder.

Joshua would command a much bigger purse for the fight, therefore Ortiz’s compensation should be higher.

huh? you are looking at it completely backwards my friend. the reason hes getting 7 million is because that was joshuas offer. haymon matched it so ortiz stayed with pbc. you are making it more difficult than it needs to be. without joshua's offer ortiz never gets that much. this has nothing to do with value. these are all power plays between competing networks.

[daggum]

Wilder was offered that $12.5 million about three fights ago.

He countered with a fair offer, $50 million, and was turned down.

So I think it’s very fair to bring it up.

and 3 fights ago he was making 1-2 million so why would joshua offer him more than 12.5 million when his own promoter is paying him 5 times less? after that haymon agreed to increase his pay based on joshua's offers. wilder should be thanking his lucky stars joshua came around otherwise he would be making the same money he was making. haymon probably must be about to suicide himself that he has to spend so much to keep wilder and his fights are still flopping but thats the game they are playing.

[daggum]

Ortiz had two offers to compare. $6 million to fight Joshua or $7 million to fight Wilder. Joshua is the way bigger draw. Joshua would make more for the fight than Wilder will make for this rematch. Therefore, Ortiz isn’t being offered fair market value.

actually he was offered 7 million to fight joshua. its all over the internet. haymon clearly matched the offer so he stayed. i dont know why you are making it so complicated for yourself

[ShaneMosleySr]

Ortiz should make more to fight Joshua than he should make to fight Wilder.

I made it less complicated for myself.

actually he was offered 7 million to fight joshua. its all over the internet. haymon clearly matched the offer so he stayed. i dont know why you are making it so complicated for yourself

[ShaneMosleySr]

He wasn’t fighting Joshua.

For example, Joshua was offered $50 million, which would be a career high payday and turned it down.

He wasn’t making $50 million to fight anyone else but he thought he should get more.

and 3 fights ago he was making 1-2 million so why would joshua offer him more than 12.5 million when his own promoter is paying him 5 times less? after that haymon agreed to increase his pay based on joshua's offers. wilder should be thanking his lucky stars joshua came around otherwise he would be making the same money he was making. haymon probably must be about to suicide himself that he has to spend so much to keep wilder and his fights are still flopping but thats the game they are playing.

[daggum]

Fighting Joshua should be worth way more money to a fighter than fighting Wilder.

Joshua would command a much bigger purse for the fight, therefore Ortiz’s compensation should be higher.

cept that's not how it works. these are all artificial purses. these purses aren't based on how much revenue each fighter produces. if that were true ortiz would be making 5 dollars.

they are all power plays by networks and promoters. wilder isnt making pbc 20 million dollars for the ortiz fight. they are losing tons of money for this fight to hopefully make more in the future on other fights. same with joshua.

what both are trying to do is corner a share of the market. gig companies do this all the time uber vs lyft etc... and are constantly doing battle like this to compete. they have a large stake of money and they use it to attract customers and hope they will stay. if they dont get enough by the time they run out of money then they are dead unless they get another round of financing. these arent profitable businesses yet. they are all playing with others money and trying to win but in the process they are kinda killing each other. its great.

[daggum]

He wasn’t fighting Joshua.

For example, Joshua was offered $50 million, which would be a career high payday and turned it down.

He wasn’t making $50 million to fight anyone else but he thought he should get more.

ok and joshua is making 42 million to fight ruiz. he should be making a lot more to fight wilder right? only 8 million more? wilder was offered 6 times more money to fight joshua if you count the 12.5 million offer or 20 times more if you count the 40 million offer. 50 million isnt even twice as much as joshua is making per fight. what a letdown.

[Marchegiano]

I didn’t look back that far because I always heard Martin was overplayed. I also don’t remember there being issues with negotiations for Klitschko, nor do I remember Takam, Parker and Povetkin complaining about pay.

....well, fair enough, if you don't know you don't know.

Where the Martin case I'm a bit out of luck because that was a twitter thing the Parker case is much fresher and took place over articles:

As it stands, AJ is refusing to compromise and has drawn a line in the sand that we think is unreasonable. It's not worth me coming to London.

Can you imagine Muhammad Ali and Lennox Lewis dodging unification because 65 percent of profit is not enough?

Joshua, if he wants to be taken seriously, and he wants to put himself in the same sentence as Ali or George Foreman or Federer, has to prove he's a man of his word, and to date he's all hot air. We're losing patience.

- Higgins of Team Parker

https://www.badlefthook.com/2017/12/5/16737890/team-parker-losing-patience-in-joshua-negotiations

As for the other guys, nope, Takam and Pov were just happy to be there and Wlad's issue wasn't motentary.