Okay i gotta say that Wilder has grown on me! However...

[QueensburyRules]

I lost a lot of respect for him over the last 2 years. This was a guy that i defend and backed for years. But i cannot support his duckings. Whether he was made to duck those fights for political reasons or not, i really don't care. Just like i have lost respect for the way Luis Ortiz ducked Joshua.

- -Luis gets well paid for the rematch that is far easier low hanging fruit than the record setting AJ presented.

If he wins, he can pick his purse for the Ruiz/AJ winner.

[DaNeutral.]

Wilder fans want to claim credit for Wilder knocking Fury out in a fight where Fury beat Wilder.
Wilder fans want to claim credit for Wilder beating the Boogeyman when the only people calling Ortiz the Boogeyman was Wilder and his fans.
Wilder fans want to claim credit for Wilder KO'ing Joshua, Wlad, Whyte, Usyk, Chisora, Parker, Martin, Povetkin just cuz they feel he WOULD, IF Widler fought them even though he hasnt stepped in a ring with any of them. Well he did step in to spar Wlad and got humiliated.

[2ndroundko]

lmaoooo you guys just dont stop

he was one of those people saying wilder was ducking joshua when he didn't accept 12 million. not sure why he thinks anyone takes him serious when he discusses wilder.

[DaNeutral.]

he was one of those people saying wilder was ducking joshua when he didn't accept 12 million. not sure why he thinks anyone takes him serious when he discusses wilder.

What was wrong with 12 million at the time? Wilder still aint making that money even now. When that offer was made Wilders career high purse was 2. What Hearn and AJ offered was the same over payment they made to Martin to take his belt, 9 million, plus what Wilder had made from his last fight which was 2, plus another full million. What exactly was so bad about that?

[Ray*]

- -Luis gets well paid for the rematch that is far easier low hanging fruit than the record setting AJ presented.

If he wins, he can pick his purse for the Ruiz/AJ winner.

Doesn’t change anything, he could have had two well paid paydays. He ducked one. That is a fact. That’s after putting himself forward for that same fight in that same time frame. No way out of that am afraid.

He could have been in the position that Ruiz is now, and if he wins the rematch he could fight Wilder for all the marbles. So no I disagree with your logic.

[Ray*]

What was wrong with 12 million at the time? Wilder still aint making that money even now. When that offer was made Wilders career high purse was 2. What Hearn and AJ offered was the same over payment they made to Martin to take his belt, 9 million, plus what Wilder had made from his last fight which was 2, plus another full million. What exactly was so bad about that?

Certain people would defend any duck when it comes to their favourite fighters, even if it meant us fans not getting the fights we called for.

Their mentality of the fight would get bigger or the purse would get bigger is why boxers don’t bother taking on challenges.

And after listening to Chris Mannix interview with the FOX/PBC head (Manger) I could see why none of PBC fighters take on challenges outside of their stable.

The sad bit is those posters who are hellbent on convincing others that anyone pointing out those truth is a “Hater”... These muppets are a laughing stock even in their own country.

[DaNeutral.]

Doesn’t change anything, he could have had two well paid paydays. He ducked one. That is a fact. That’s after putting himself forward for that same fight in that same time frame. No way out of that am afraid.

He could have been in the position that Ruiz is now, and if he wins the rematch he could fight Wilder for all the marbles. So no I disagree with your logic.

Ortiz said they could call on him he would take the fight on short notice for any amount of money. But when that happened they called 14x his highest purse a lowball and ran. His manager lied by saying Ortiz couldnt take the fight cuz he was on holiday only for Ortiz and his coach to turn around and say that was a lie they were not on holiday but actually around camp keeping warm and fresh. Blame who ever at the PBC or team Ortiz but they ducked that fight after backtracking on everything Ortiz had said in the 1st place.

But the PBC Deontay Ortiz fans still try to claim Joshua ducked Ortiz.

[Ray*]

Ortiz said they could call on him he would take the fight on short notice for any amount of money. But when that happened they called 14x his highest purse a lowball and ran. His manager lied by saying Ortiz couldnt take the fight cuz he was on holiday only for Ortiz and his coach to turn around and say that was a lie they were not on holiday but actually around camp keeping warm and fresh. Blame who ever at the PBC or team Ortiz but they ducked that fight after backtracking on everything Ortiz had said in the 1st place.

But the PBC Deontay Ortiz fans still try to claim Joshua ducked Ortiz.

Like I said before these clowns are a laughing stock in their own country. No fans should support ducking. And trying to cook up excuses for ducking is even worse.

[DaNeutral.]

Certain people would defend any duck when it comes to their favourite fighters, even if it meant us fans not getting the fights we called for.

Their mentality of the fight would get bigger or the purse would get bigger is why boxers don’t bother taking on challenges.

And after listening to Chris Mannix interview with the FOX/PBC head (Manger) I could see why none of PBC fighters take on challenges outside of their stable.

The sad bit is those posters who are hellbent on convincing others that anyone pointing out those truth is a “Hater”... These muppets are a laughing stock even in their own country.

Yeah ive just heard that interview this morning. I thought i saw this coming when they started only showing PBC champs and ignoring the other real champs on their graphics. Who the hells chooses to ignore America's number 1 fighter in Bud Crawford unless they have an agenda.

[Ray*]

Yeah ive just heard that interview this morning. I thought i saw this coming when they started only showing PBC champs and ignoring the other real champs on their graphics. Who the hells chooses to ignore America's number 1 fighter in Bud Crawford unless they have an agenda.

Yeah the interview was what most of us already knew. I was one of PBC biggest fan when it was launched. But I cannot support a platform that hopes to divide boxing and segregate the sport.