Dempsey/Tunney/etc. sucks

[QueensburyRules]

ABC logic doesn't work in boxing. The fact remains, Dempsey refused to fight Wills, as he knew he would get...

- -Jack signed at least twice if not thrice to fight Harry.

Time to stop sucking on baby bottles and study up with the Big Boys.

[Marchegiano]

Jack Johnson, the first African American to win the World Heavyweight title, also drew the colour line and refused to fight the leading Black contenders of his era. The irony...

The first ever sanctioned HW title fight was between Jack Johnson and the very much black Jim Johnson for the IBU, also the first black vs black hw title fight in history.

I seem to recall there being a story that Dempsey and Johnson did indeed fight, in the early 20s in a "secret" fight. There were newspaper articles about it years later, and insider accounts but never any solid coverage. Going off what was said, Demspey won by 7th round KO, apparently. Johnson would have been in his early 40s, while Demspey was still in his prime.

Fight Beat reprinted an article from the Brooklyn Eagle who had reprinted an article from the Chicago Tribune.

Or, rather, Fight Beat, who broke that story, sourced an article from the Eagle who did reprint an article from the Tribune.

If you follow the sources Fight Beat makes no mention of the Eagles's disclaimer:

Brooklyn Eagle:

It's a shame to do it

Unfortunately for the Chicago Tribune and their special ringside correspondant, neither Dempsey nor Johnson were in Saskatoon last Saturday. Note what sporting editor of the Saskatoon Star has to say" No Dempsey-Johnson bout here. Dempsey on Coast. Has not been here yet." Anyway it was a corking good story and worth reprinting. Ray Pearson is losing time. He ought to be writing fiction.


Which is pretty clear. Nothing of the sort ever happened, the two men were not even there.

If that's not good enough the Tribune itself ran an article weeks later to explain their Dempsey vs Johnson article was a fantasy fight, not real.

The Meriden Daily would print the author's explanation:

The Meriden Daily Journal: The gentile roader, alias the fight fan, who reads the above will doubtless feel like blowing up the town hall in his excitement and wonderment. However, there is no need for suprise. The Story is written by Ray Pierson, sports writer on a Chicago paper. It is one of a series of articles in which the writer describes imaginary battles between present day champions and those of a decade or more ago. The object of the articles, according to Mr.Pierson, is to show possible results of such battles were each of the participant in his prime.


https://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/5...nson%2Bdempsey

https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?id=BONQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9P8MAAAAIBAJ&pg=1844,3630691&hl=en

Reckon that's that, no? I got more on it if you like.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Dempsey/JJ fight private held in a private men's club.

Not for public consumption. Can't be proven or disproven save for one reporter inquiry to Jack and his response.

Net result is it's part of a storied era of boxing lore.

[Marchegiano]

Sullivan through Braddock. In bold are the corresponding colored champions. I should note, the Police Gazette is who would commission belts and trophies for both the regular and the colored champions. I should also note one would do well historically to not refer to Sullivan-Braddock as the "White championship" given there very much was a white championship during Johnson's reign. The regular is not exclusive to whites by design but rather practice where as the white is exclusive to whites by design....and no one gives a **** about them.

Anyway, my point is real simple, why the **** do we call these guys undisputed if the bold exist? Except Louis, he is in bold, underline and italics, he ended the era.



John 'The Boston Strong Boy' L. Sullivan - 1882

George 'Old Chocolate' Godfrey - 1883

Peter 'The Great' Jackson - 1888

'Ruby' Robert James Fitzsimmons - 1897

Frank 'The Crafty Texan' Childs - 1898

James 'The Boilermaker' J. Jeffries - 1899

Frank 'The Crafty Texan' Childs - 1899

Ed 'The Colorado Giant' Martin - 1902

Jack 'The Unforgivable Blackness' Johnson - 1903

Marvin 'The Louisville Plumber' Hart - 1905 ( Beat Johnson )

Noah Brusso a.k.a. Tommy 'The Little Giant of Hanover' Burns - 1906 (Lost to Johnson)

Jack 'The Unforgivable Blackness' Johnson - 1908 ( ducked good black fighters himself )

Sam McVea - 1909

Jeremiah "Joe" Jeannette - 1909

Samuel 'Boston Bonecrusher' Langford - 1910

Jess 'Pottawatomie Giant' Willard - 1915

Harry 'The Black Panther' Wills - 1916

'Big' Bill Tate - 1917

Sam 'Boston' Langford - 1917

Jack 'The Manassa Mauler' Dempsey - 1919

Harry 'The Black Panther' Wills - 1918

James Joseph Tunney a.k.a Gene 'The Fighting Marine' Tunney - 1926

Feab Smith Williams a.k.a. George 'The Leiperville Shadow' Godfrey - 1926

(Lawrence Samuel) 'Loopin'' Larry Gains - 1928

Maximillian Adolph Otto Siegfried Schmeling 'Black Uhlan of the Rhine' - 1931

Feab Smith Williams a.k.a. George 'The Leiperville Shadow' Godfrey - 1931

Primo Carnera - 1933

'Bearcat' Obie Dia Walker - 1933

James J. (Walter) 'Pride of the Irish' Braddock - 1935

Feab Smith Williams a.k.a. George 'The Leiperville Shadow' Godfrey - 1935

'Loopin' Larry Gains - 1935

Joseph 'The Brown Bomber' Louis Barrow - 1937

[Marchegiano]

- -Dempsey/JJ fight private held in a private men's club.

Not for public consumption. Can't be proven or disproven save for one reporter inquiry to Jack and his response.

Net result is it's part of a storied era of boxing lore.

I just disproved the **** out of it.

When you have the original author telling you it was a fantasy fight for his fantasy fight series it's pretty well proven it was a fantasy.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Battling beat up JJ so bad the French stripped him.

Langford and Jeannette were both in Paris to fight for it and we see Sam in full sway KD Jeannette to take an easy decision for the now split title.

[YGriffith]

Maybe Johnson ducked the other brothers, maybe he didn't. But one thing is for sure... He spanked every "great" white boy that ever dared to step into the ring against him.

He got KO'd twice by white boys though.
Most of the HW boxers pre ali era were bums.

[travestyny]

Jack Johnson, the first African American to win the World Heavyweight title, also drew the colour line and refused to fight the leading Black contenders of his era. The irony...

That's an outright lie. Was disproven clearly with proof.

[travestyny]

- -Jack signed at least twice if not thrice to fight Harry.

Time to stop sucking on baby bottles and study up with the Big Boys.

Oh please. Dempsey broke a contract and ran for the hills. You know it and I know it. Has been proven and discussed in the history section many times.

[QueensburyRules]

I just disproved the **** out of it.

When you have the original author telling you it was a fantasy fight for his fantasy fight series it's pretty well proven it was a fantasy.

- -You just pretty much disproved yourself.