Whyte mandatory will be ordered in 2021

[kafkod]

Rule 3.23:

A Silver Champion shall not be a mandatory contender for the WBC World Championship absent winning a final elimination bout for the World title, unless a written exception has been authorized by a majority vote of the WBC Board of Governors in its sole discretion.




Povetkin vs. Stiverne was a final eliminator. Because Povetkin cheated and the fight was canceled on one day notice, after Stiverne had already completed a full training camp, traveled, paid sparring partners, etc, Stiverne threatened to sue over the cancelation. Because Wilder was already overdue for a mandatory defense due to a different Povetkin drug test failure, it was ruled that Stiverne was essentially the winner of the final eliminator by default due to Povetkin cheating a second time. That's how Stiverne became mandatory.




After the Rocchigiani lawsuit, the WBC has had to be very careful about following their rules, keeping promises to fighters, etc. Just as the IBF had to straighten up after the Bob Lee indictment.

Whyte won a semi-final eliminator. Breazeale won a final eliminator. Whyte was offered numerous final eliminators to become the mandatory after Breazeale. He turned them down. He instead waited for Breazeale to get his shot and then finally agreed to fight a final eliminator against Rivas. Which still meant being mandatory after Breazeale.

All I'm seeing here is a lot of convoluted bullshit from the WBC to justify excluding Dillian Whyte from contention as a mandatory challenger and you blindly endorsing it all, as if they can do no wrong!

"It was ruled that Stiverne won a final eliminator by default because it wasn't his fault that the fight got cancelled."

Won a final eliminator by default?

Are you seriously endorsing bullshit like that? I mean ... seriously?

They sanctioned Breazeale vs Molina as a final eliminator. Why, when Whyte was ranked higher than either of them and Breazeale had just turned down an offer to fight Dillian?

I repeat what I have told you multiple times ... Dillian Whyte has never turned down a final eliminator for the position of WBC mando. "Second mandatory" is something else, which I don't think had ever been heard of till the WBC pulled it out of their arse to mislead gullible fans like you.

Whyte accepted a final eliminator against Fury. Fury first accepted it, then pulled out and Whyte fought the eliminator against Rivas instead.

Now the WBC have removed Whyte as their mando, before the investigation into his UKAD test failure has been completed, and installed Fury, who pulled out of the eliminator with Dillian, over his head.

Why did they to do that? Why not just wait until the investigation was finished and see what the outcome was, like they did with Canelo? Fury didn't win any final eliminator, and the WBC had already given Wilder permission to fight him after Ortiz.

There was no reason or justification for taking the mandatory position away from Whyte and giving to Fury. I'm a Fury fan, but I'm not a fanboy or a shill for a corrupt sanctioning org, and I'm telling you the WBC have treated Whyte with blatant unfairness and bias.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

All I'm seeing here is a lot of convoluted bullshit

All I'm seeing is you being proven wrong over and over and then constantly changing the subject.

You insisted Kovalev never fought a final eliminator, even though he did.

You insisted being silver champion entitles you to a title shot, even though it doesn't.

You then complained that nowhere in the rules does it say anything about the silver champion needing to fight an eliminator, even though the rules very explicitly state that the silver champion still needs to fight a final eliminator.

How many times in a row do you need to be wrong before I'm no longer obligated to continue to respond to your nonsense?

[kafkod]

All I'm seeing is you being proven wrong over and over and then constantly changing the subject.

You insisted Kovalev never fought a final eliminator, even though he did.

You insisted being silver champion entitles you to a title shot, even though it doesn't.

You then complained that nowhere in the rules does it say anything about the silver champion needing to fight an eliminator, even though the rules very explicitly state that the silver champion still needs to fight a final eliminator.

How many times in a row do you need to be wrong before I'm no longer obligated to continue to respond to your nonsense?

Stop putting your own words into my mouth.

The only one of those things I actually said was the one about Kovalev.

The WBC rules change all the time, and even now, they don't explicitly say that the silver champion, or anybody else, can't be made mandatory without fighting a final eliminator. Read the rule you posted.

Who did Fury beat in a final eliminator to become Wilder's mando?

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

You said:

How can Hearn or anybody else be expected to know the rules on WBC titles inside out when the WBC never publish them

But the WBC does publish them and always has. You're just making things up over and over and changing the subject every time you get busted.

The WBC rules change all the time, and even now, they don't explicitly say that the silver champion, or anybody else, can't be made mandatory without fighting a final eliminator. Read the rule you posted.

The rules explicitly state, and always have, that being silver champion doesn't make you the mandatory. You must fight a final eliminator. Unless the board of governors hold a special vote for special circumstances.

Who did Fury beat in a final eliminator to become Wilder's mando?

Wilder chose to make a voluntary defense against Fury, who happens to be the highest rated available contender, so the WBC is counting the fight as 2020's mandatory since Whyte's status is under review. If you voluntarily elect to face the highest rated contender, even though they haven't fought a final eliminator yet, sanctioning bodies will often agree to count the fight towards your mandatory obligation.

[kafkod]

You said:



But the WBC does publish them and always has. You're just making things up over and over and changing the subject every time you get busted.




The rules explicitly state, and always have, that being silver champion doesn't make you the mandatory. You must fight a final eliminator. Unless the board of governors hold a special vote for special circumstances.




Wilder chose to make a voluntary defense against Fury, who happens to be the highest rated available contender, so the WBC is counting the fight as 2020's mandatory since Whyte's status is under review. If you voluntarily elect to face the highest rated contender, even though they haven't fought a final eliminator yet, sanctioning bodies will often agree to count the fight towards your mandatory obligation.

Thanks!

You have just given me 2 ways that a top contender can become a mandatory challenger without winning a final eliminator. Earlier on, you gave me another .. by "default"

So that's 3 ways.

Reminder: You were supposed to be proving that a top contender and Silver Champion cannot become a mandatory challenger without winning a final eliminator.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

You have You were supposed to be proving that a top contender and Silver Champion cannot become a mandatory challenger without winning a final eliminator.

oh no no no. dont try that sneaky **** now that youre busted. this is what you wrote:

"Whyte had been WBC Silver Champion and No1 contender for 2 years. He paid sanctioning fees to the WBC to fight for and defend the Silver title because he believed that holding it gave him the automatic right to a mandatory shot at the full title"

the rules explicitly state that holding the silver title DOES NOT give you the automatic right to a mandatory shot.

theres a difference between what you claimed, that silver = automatic title shot and what you now claim i must prove, that silver never ever gets a title shot for any reason.

those are two completely different things. i proved you wrong, so you moved the goal posts.

[kafkod]

oh no no no. dont try that sneaky **** now that youre busted. this is what you wrote:

"Whyte had been WBC Silver Champion and No1 contender for 2 years. He paid sanctioning fees to the WBC to fight for and defend the Silver title because he believed that holding it gave him the automatic right to a mandatory shot at the full title"

the rules explicitly state that holding the silver title DOES NOT give you the automatic right to a mandatory shot.

theres a difference between what you claimed, that silver = automatic title shot and what you now claim i must prove, that silver never ever gets a title shot for any reason.

those are two completely different things. i proved you wrong, so you moved the goal posts.

The WBC update their website continuously, you idiot. Don't you think they might have added the rule you quoted as a reaction to Hearn complaining about Whyte being shut out as Wilder's mando and Dillian talking about suing them?

What's going on here ... do you work for those fucking corrupted twats?

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

The WBC update their website continuously, you idiot. Don't you think they might have added the rule you quoted as a reaction to Hearn complaining about Whyte being shut out as Wilder's mando and Dillian talking about suing them?

As always, you're 100% wrong.

Here are the WBC rules published in January of 2014, long before Whyte won the silver title:

https://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/Rules/WBCRulesandRegulationsJanuary2014.pdf

A Silver Champion shall not be a mandatory contender for the WBC World Championship absent winning a final elimination bout for the World title, unless a written exception has been authorized by a majority vote of the WBC Board of Governors in its sole discretion.

[kafkod]

As always, you're 100% wrong.

Here are the WBC rules published in January of 2014, long before Whyte won the silver title:

https://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/Rules/WBCRulesandRegulationsJanuary2014.pdf

A Silver Champion shall not be a mandatory contender for the WBC World Championship absent winning a final elimination bout for the World title, unless a written exception has been authorized by a majority vote of the WBC Board of Governors in its sole discretion.

You said a Silver Champion can't become mandatory without winning a final eliminator. But it says right there that they can.

100% wrong back at you, pal.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

You said a Silver Champion can't become mandatory without winning a final eliminator. But it says right there that they can.

100% wrong back at you, pal.

oh no no no. dont try that sneaky **** now that youre busted. this is what you wrote:

"Whyte had been WBC Silver Champion and No1 contender for 2 years. He paid sanctioning fees to the WBC to fight for and defend the Silver title because he believed that holding it gave him the automatic right to a mandatory shot at the full title"

the rules explicitly state that holding the silver title DOES NOT give you the automatic right to a mandatory shot.

theres a difference between what you claimed, that silver = automatic title shot and what you now claim i must prove, that silver never ever gets a title shot for any reason.

those are two completely different things. i proved you wrong, so you moved the goal posts.