Comments Thread For: Canelo: If Golovkin Trilogy Represents Business - Why Not?

[jimisawesome]

The Ali Act has no provisions within the statute that regulates relations between a broadcasting platform and a fighter. It’s specifically geared towards fighters, promoters and managers. In a addition it doesn’t actually allow Congress the power to enforce these regulations, but instead it leaves the responsibility to individual states... that’s why boxing is a circus

Ummm, Yes it does. The Ali Act specifically states that for the purposes of the law a broadcaster is to be seen the same as a promoter.

It's up to a fighter to file a lawsuit to assert their rights under the law. In a situation that dazn is suing Canelo to fight GGG his lawyer would instantly file a counter suit asserting his rights under the Ali Act and have the contract voided.

[SteveM]

Nobody knows Andrade but it would be an easy fight to make. Smith is popular in the UK and Ramirez would sell. They will be looking for a big name to satisfy that contract.

Ramirez on a Mexican holiday would be massive

[Hnnnggg]

Ummm, Yes it does. The Ali Act specifically states that for the purposes of the law a broadcaster is to be seen the same as a promoter.

It's up to a fighter to file a lawsuit to assert their rights under the law. In a situation that dazn is suing Canelo to fight GGG his lawyer would instantly file a counter suit asserting his rights under the Ali Act and have the contract voided.

Please annotate the provision in which it states your claim. I’m not trying to be combative, I would just like to see the reasoning. This is all I could find on broadcasting services

“Prohibits a boxing service provider from requiring a boxer to grant any future promotional rights as a requirement of competing in a professional boxing match (match) that is a mandatory bout under the rules of the sanctioning organization.”

[strykr619]

DAZN has no grounds to sue for ****, because it wasn't in his contract.

Now, Golden Boy, promising something that they can't deliver on, can definitely be ready to be sued

You know this how? You actually seen the contract? Guess what no company with that kind financial backing will sign a contract that doesn't ALLOW them to dictate fight terms.

Canelo has been able to avoid GGG because their were other big names to fight. That well is drying up. This is why he is waiting till he has no other names left (also aging GGG further is shrewd because he is on the wrong side of 30's now).

I have actually signed exclusivity deals before. Mine was in a different industry (fishing) but the entity paying out almost always control's HOW the money is disbursed, I was on the hook to supply x tonnage of fish to various Japanese distributors yearly, they control the disbursement based on WHEN and HOW OFTEN i provided my end. That is SOP for most contracts of that nature.

[jimisawesome]

Please annotate the provision in which it states your claim. I’m not trying to be combative, I would just like to see the reasoning. This is all I could find on broadcasting services

“Prohibits a boxing service provider from requiring a boxer to grant any future promotional rights as a requirement of competing in a professional boxing match (match) that is a mandatory bout under the rules of the sanctioning organization.”

‘(b) PROMOTIONAL RIGHTS UNDER MANDATORY BOUT CONTRACTS- No boxing service provider may require a boxer to grant any future promotional rights as a requirement of competing in a professional boxing match that is a mandatory bout under the rules of a sanctioning organization.

‘(c) PROTECTION FROM COERCIVE CONTRACTS WITH BROADCASTERS- Subsection (a) of this section applies to any contract between a commercial broadcaster and a boxer, or granting any rights with respect to that boxer, involving a broadcast in or affecting interstate commerce, regardless of the broadcast medium. For the purpose of this subsection, any reference in subsection (a)(1)(B) to ‘promoter’ shall be considered a reference to ‘commercial broadcaster’.

[Scipio2009]

Canelo is being extremely optimistic if he thinks DAZN is going to fork out more money on top of their original deal. DAZN management recently stated that these inflated purses are coming to an end. Canelo's and to a lesser extent Golovkin's opponents are getting very good purses. I'm all for that but the well is getting dry. I don't see it happening. Frankly at this point the enthusiasm for a Canelo Golovkin rematch is waning. I'd rather see him rematch Derevyanchenko because he's the only guy that has a real claim to beating Golovkin. It looks like that's not likely to happen either. Whether Golovkin doesn't want to rematch Derev or its DAZN that doesn't want Golovkin to lose its just a puzzling business decision.

DAZN literally has zero folks that move the needle outside of Canelo, and even on Canelo's fights they don't seem all that confident in carrying the night.

If they want to dictate a fight to Canelo, it's going to cost DAZN extra.

[Scipio2009]

You know this how? You actually seen the contract? Guess what no company with that kind financial backing will sign a contract that doesn't ALLOW them to dictate fight terms.

Canelo has been able to avoid GGG because their were other big names to fight. That well is drying up. This is why he is waiting till he has no other names left (also aging GGG further is shrewd because he is on the wrong side of 30's now).

I have actually signed exclusivity deals before. Mine was in a different industry (fishing) but the entity paying out almost always control's HOW the money is disbursed, I was on the hook to supply x tonnage of fish to various Japanese distributors yearly, they control the disbursement based on WHEN and HOW OFTEN i provided my end. That is SOP for most contracts of that nature.

The actions, so far, say different.

DAZN, starting from scratch, reached out to the biggest active star in the sport, and paid a premium for it; if you think that Alvarez gave up matchmaking, when he has no incentive to need to do so, you're kidding yourself.

No different than Floyd and his deal/relationship with Showtime/CBS; Showtime got a seat at the table, Floyd got a fat guarantee, and both parties had an equal incentive to make the biggest events possible.

Things worked out so well for both parties that they continued with the Conor spectacle, and the development of things with Mayweather Promotions helped Badou Jack get through and is also clearing the way for Gervonta Davis to likely get to PPV stardom on Showtime.

Showtime never picked Floyd's fights, but Showtime did the work alongside that to set things up that the fights that made the most sense for Floyd also made sense for Showtime (and by the time that the Berto fight came around, all the money owed had been covered already, Showtime/CBS made a nice bit of money for itself, and taking the Berto fight helped preserve the relationship for possible future fights)

[Shape up]

Do you want Canelo to fight Golovkin or not?

Canelo doesn't need him and is glad to turn the page but the press and DAZN keep pestering him about it.

You didn’t mention the actual boxing fans who know about boxing and saw canelo lose the first fight and an exceptionally close second fight, you guys can’t put 2 & 2 together, again against kov canelo was ahead on the cards, how, because he starts a fight 3-4 rounds ahead before the first bell, you can’t even see the truth because you’re all swallowing tainted meat

[Hnnnggg]

‘(b) PROMOTIONAL RIGHTS UNDER MANDATORY BOUT CONTRACTS- No boxing service provider may require a boxer to grant any future promotional rights as a requirement of competing in a professional boxing match that is a mandatory bout under the rules of a sanctioning organization.

‘(c) PROTECTION FROM COERCIVE CONTRACTS WITH BROADCASTERS- Subsection (a) of this section applies to any contract between a commercial broadcaster and a boxer, or granting any rights with respect to that boxer, involving a broadcast in or affecting interstate commerce, regardless of the broadcast medium. For the purpose of this subsection, any reference in subsection (a)(1)(B) to ‘promoter’ shall be considered a reference to ‘commercial broadcaster’.

Nice, thanks. I wonder what kind of legal action either have for dissolving that relationship. Canelo could be a free agent, and DAZN could free up capital for attracting other talent. I guess canelo’s next opponent is going to be a litmus test for his tenure on dazn

[Curt Henning]

these guys just dont get it....canelo smacked golovkin around in the style of fight golovkin begged for...hes older and just been in a good war.....he cant do better....golovkin himself knows this he just likes the fat check

the same idiots crying about canelo not fighting golovkin a 3rd time would cry bloody murder about how he waited for him to get older if canelo beat him up tomorrow