Saudi Arabia Stadium update

[Pigeons]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...n_Saudi_Arabia


The kafala system, present in a number of other ****** countries, governs the conditions and processes for employment of foreigners. Under this system, all non-Saudis present in the country for employment purposes must have a sponsor, which is usually arranged months in advance.[29] Unlike countries which recognize the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (which declares in part "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own")[30] Saudi Arabia requires foreign workers to have their sponsor's permission to enter and leave the country, and denies exit to those with work disputes pending in court. Sponsors generally confiscate passports while workers are in the country; sometimes employers also hold passports of workers' family members.



Bit more than just long hours, man, it's a system that in the worse cases amounts to slavery with workers having no rights, in a foreign country and utterly dependent on their employer, indeed there's been reports of workers simply not getting paid and then just not being allowed to leave the country if they make a fuss or being charged with bogus crimes.

That said it would be perfectly possible to construct a stadium on that schedule whilst adhering to US or European labour laws and safety standards, in fact there's companies that specialise in quick build prefab and temporary stadia.

That's just scary, man.

[anonymous2.0]

Ah **** I just realized there's gunna be no ring girls for this, not unless you want to see those DAZN girls in a burqa.

Maybe that's why Andy lost weight, doesn't want to get arrested by the religious police for his man boobs.

[Motorcity Cobra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...n_Saudi_Arabia


The kafala system, present in a number of other ****** countries, governs the conditions and processes for employment of foreigners. Under this system, all non-Saudis present in the country for employment purposes must have a sponsor, which is usually arranged months in advance.[29] Unlike countries which recognize the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (which declares in part "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own")[30] Saudi Arabia requires foreign workers to have their sponsor's permission to enter and leave the country, and denies exit to those with work disputes pending in court. Sponsors generally confiscate passports while workers are in the country; sometimes employers also hold passports of workers' family members.



Bit more than just long hours, man, it's a system that in the worse cases amounts to slavery with workers having no rights, in a foreign country and utterly dependent on their employer, indeed there's been reports of workers simply not getting paid and then just not being allowed to leave the country if they make a fuss or being charged with bogus crimes.

That said it would be perfectly possible to construct a stadium on that schedule whilst adhering to US or European labour laws and safety standards, in fact there's companies that specialise in quick build prefab and temporary stadia.

They are beating and killing African workers (******) and getting away with it.

[Thuglife Nelo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...n_Saudi_Arabia


The kafala system, present in a number of other ****** countries, governs the conditions and processes for employment of foreigners. Under this system, all non-Saudis present in the country for employment purposes must have a sponsor, which is usually arranged months in advance.[29] Unlike countries which recognize the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (which declares in part "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own")[30] Saudi Arabia requires foreign workers to have their sponsor's permission to enter and leave the country, and denies exit to those with work disputes pending in court. Sponsors generally confiscate passports while workers are in the country; sometimes employers also hold passports of workers' family members.



Bit more than just long hours, man, it's a system that in the worse cases amounts to slavery with workers having no rights, in a foreign country and utterly dependent on their employer, indeed there's been reports of workers simply not getting paid and then just not being allowed to leave the country if they make a fuss or being charged with bogus crimes.

That said it would be perfectly possible to construct a stadium on that schedule whilst adhering to US or European labour laws and safety standards, in fact there's companies that specialise in quick build prefab and temporary stadia.

Is this a real stadium ? Nope,it fills what 8/12 K ppl ? This is nothing more then a similar set up for a rock concert at times which is set to be taking down when its over.

Things like this take less then a week to construct ,I worked in local 1stagehands union and set bigger events up in N.Y even in house then central park concerts so save the ****** comments for someone else, I told you guys we can build this in a matter of day if need be.

Africa is the most notorious continent to smuggle goods in and out. I don't mind a man trying to make a living bringing in imports to foreign countries and being a stand alone seller on the streets. We see many Africans worldwide, including NYC, where ''vacationers'' are selling goods on the most popular commercialized streets. This also exists in Saudi Arabia whom know African culture quite well. Many ''visitors'' or ''work permit'' individuals try and smuggle in lucrative items such as diamonds, ***els, etc... Those whom gain are those buying the imports and could care less what really happens to smugglers, including being denied to leave. You'd be surprised how many cases were workers were granted a months stay while bringing in diamonds up the ass.

This is why Saudi Arabia, whom are dons like the ***s when it comes to ***elery, know the game about such rocks. The Kafala System was insured that smuggling is dealt with basic protocol.

[Articulateboxin]

There is a lot written about the "slave" like conditions of construction workers in the middle east and there has even been youtube stories about it. However as somebody who lives and works here as an expat, the reports are largely exceptions to the rule. You will find videos just as heinous on youtube about the human trafficking and forced prostitution in the UK, it doesn't mean it's the norm. The vast, vast majority of construction workers are here because they choose to be, they aren't rounded up and taken here against their will. They send what they earn back to pakistan and india to support their families. Both countries have very high unemployment and so they come here to find work.

As somebody who deals in scheduling and planning consultancy, it makes less than 0 sense to work people 24 hours a day. Guys work 12 hour shifts at the most (usually 10 and the laws of the land demand people are allowed to rest often and are well hydrated while working outside) and are then rota'd off. Yes the work continues 24 hours a day, but it's a day shift and night shift team.

What's being erected in Saudi is ambitious, but not beyond the realms of possibility in the time frame they have been allowed. If anything holds them back, it will be the wiring and cable runs which take quite a lot of time.

I am not denying the human rights issue of any country, however we forget the UK looked very similar just 150 years ago and we've been living in "civilized" society for thousands and thousands of years. Just because something has changed in the last 1% of a nations timeline, doesn't mean we need to look to the rest of the world with indignation and superiority.

[Citizen Koba]

And how is it different from Mexican workers who're treated like ****** in the US?

Even in the UK, a lot of Eastern Europeans work in inhumane conditions and are paid crumbs, far below the minimum wage. I know developers who bring in Romanians and pay them as low as £3ph and leave them to live in uncompleted buildings with no heating because they have nowhere to stay. It's even worse when you go to farms in the country.

It's not particularly, migrant workers are treated obscenely in a lot of places, so we ain't got much right to be pointing fingers specially given that the Saudi regime has been propped up by the US and UK for decades. Only real difference is that it's enshrined in law in the Arab league - although in the US and UK of course migrant workers are typically illegal residents anyway so aren't likely to seek or get legal protection if they are mistreated. Main difference is that abusive employers could potentially get prosecuted I guess, though in practice, especially in the US (from my understanding), a blind eye is typically turned because of the economic benefits of having a cheap disposable seasonal workforce.

[pittapatta66]

They are beating and killing African workers (******) and getting away with it.

you see the video of that Ethiopian (??) housemaid who tried to commit suicide by jumping out of her employee's highrise apartment? She regretted trying to jump and was hanging onto the ledge and was pleading and crying for help, but her arab woman master I mean employer was just laughing at her. She then fell down far and died.

Brutal video. Was such a coldblooded laugh, people don't even treat animals with such cruelty

[Citizen Koba]

There is a lot written about the "slave" like conditions of construction workers in the middle east and there has even been youtube stories about it. However as somebody who lives and works here as an expat, the reports are largely exceptions to the rule. You will find videos just as heinous on youtube about the human trafficking and forced prostitution in the UK, it doesn't mean it's the norm. The vast, vast majority of construction workers are here because they choose to be, they aren't rounded up and taken here against their will. They send what they earn back to pakistan and india to support their families. Both countries have very high unemployment and so they come here to find work.

As somebody who deals in scheduling and planning consultancy, it makes less than 0 sense to work people 24 hours a day. Guys work 12 hour shifts at the most (usually 10 and the laws of the land demand people are allowed to rest often and are well hydrated while working outside) and are then rota'd off. Yes the work continues 24 hours a day, but it's a day shift and night shift team.

What's being erected in Saudi is ambitious, but not beyond the realms of possibility in the time frame they have been allowed. If anything holds them back, it will be the wiring and cable runs which take quite a lot of time.

I am not denying the human rights issue of any country, however we forget the UK looked very similar just 150 years ago and we've been living in "civilized" society for thousands and thousands of years. Just because something has changed in the last 1% of a nations timeline, doesn't mean we need to look to the rest of the world with indignation and superiority.

I'm quite sure you're correct, man, whether for pragmatic or ethical reasons I'd like to hope most employers treat their employees as human beings or at least valuable assets and that the cases that make the headlines are the exception rather than the rule... and like I said in my previous post we in the West have absolutely no right to be looking down on anyone - not only are our own houses a long way from being in order, but if the political will was there pressure could be brought to encourage the Arab league to bring it's it's employment law (and other human rights issues) more into line with international standards. Bottom line is expediency, no one really gives enough of a shit about the plight of migrant workers to risk fucking with the oil supply.

[MDPopescu]

They are beating and killing African workers (******) and getting away with it.

... you should rather search for "foreign workers in Saudi Arabia" on the Internet...

[BangEM]

It's not particularly, migrant workers are treated obscenely in a lot of places, so we ain't got much right to be pointing fingers specially given that the Saudi regime has been propped up by the US and UK for decades. Only real difference is that it's enshrined in law in the Arab league - although in the US and UK of course migrant workers are typically illegal residents anyway so aren't likely to seek or get legal protection if they are mistreated. Main difference is that abusive employers could potentially get prosecuted I guess, though in practice, especially in the US (from my understanding), a blind eye is typically turned because of the economic benefits of having a cheap disposable seasonal workforce.

Not a fan of Saudi Arabia and their culture but the dissonance when it comes to issues like this is what irks me. Every country out there is flawed. However, when people start making it about certain countries/cultures - it becomes disingenuous. At least the Saudis treat their citizens better than most countries in the west that are deemed to be “perfect” and the self-ordained authority on how others should live.

This discourse is reminiscent of how yanks complain about what’s going on in Hong Kong. However, the US has been guilty of the same crime on a bigger scale with killings in Central/South/North America for decades now. And the same idiots would laud the US government for doing it and claim it’s protecting them. But when China does it on a lesser scale - it’s a communist country that’s against freedom of speech. The hypocrisy just stinks.

Arabs are who they are - you can’t change them. Why not let them be, rather than demonise them on hand, then go back and sell weapons/arms to them to effect what you’re demonising them for? I just don’t understand it. The whole Arab thing has been going on for centuries since the Middle Ages, with the crusades. And they haven’t changed one bit. So it’s pretty much obvious it’s who they’re.