Where were the final Spence-Porter PPV numbers reported?

[Boxing_1013]

I consider Coppinger's number a lie based on circumstantial evidence, not because I hate PBC. If Spence-Porter had worse gate and attendance than Wilder-Fury I don't think it could have done a better buyrate. They never release any official numbers. They used to in the past on rare occasions when a PPV did extremely well, like over 1 million buys. Based on what's known from the UFC anti-trust lawsuit and their sale to WME we got a glimpse at their official numbers and almost always the numbers reported in the media were inflated, the real buyrate is lower.

For the record I agree with you...I just can't see how this fight sold really well

[Boxing_1013]

I base my opinion on a trained journalist knowing that lying in that manner would be a completely unethical and reason for termination if it was ever discovered to be a lie.

I think it is possible, if not likely, that Copp was/gets fed numbers and then his job in that instance is to publicize them...quid pro quo

[Boxing_1013]

These 'ethical' journalists were also saying that the attendace was over 17,000. They always report exaggerated numbers because that's the numbers promoters give them. Nobody has ever been fired for reporting innacurate numbers. If it was so immoral to be a promoter shill then guys like Dan Rafael and Steve Kim would have been fired a long time ago.

Facts.....

[HitmanTommy]

Did around 185,000 give or take.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

The impact Fox had is just speculative because the sample size is so small. They've only had three boxing PPVs. None of the Fox hype helped the UFC increase their numbers compared to when they were on Spike. Most of the traffic for Spence-Porter came after the fight also, because it turned out to be a fight of the year candidate.

they had 3 and all 3 did way better than expected. ufc isn't a fair comparison because fox is providing more hype for pbc than they did ufc for two reasons. #1 they weren't the distributor of the ufc ppvs and #2, fox has to outbid sho for every pbc ppv and make very large promises to beat sho's offer.

[Bob Haymon]

they had 3 and all 3 did way better than expected. ufc isn't a fair comparison because fox is providing more hype for pbc than they did ufc for two reasons. #1 they weren't the distributor of the ufc ppvs and #2, fox has to outbid sho for every pbc ppv and make very large promises to beat sho's offer.

Fox isn't giving PBC more hype though. FS2 was almost exclusively UFC content and FS1 was like 50% UFC content. They also had more dates on Fox networks. They had way more airtime which allowed them to push their PPVs to more people than when they were on Spike. Aside from McGregor and Rousey the UFC still did the same number of buys they were getting before. Even with the big purses they have to guarantee Wilder and PPV distibution costs, the investment they're making in PBC is nowhere near what they invested in UFC. PBC PPVs have done better than expected because people make such lowball predictions and set the bar extremely low for them. 250-300k would have been a realistic expectation for Spence-Porter and that's how many buys it got according to BoxingScene.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

Fox isn't giving PBC more hype though. FS2 was almost exclusively UFC content and FS1 was like 50% UFC content. They also had more dates on Fox networks.

You're confusing two different things. Fox had more UFC programming, but Fox wasn't buying the rights to the UFC PPVs. For PBC, Fox is putting up a guarantee for the PPV and then hustling to make their money back. Hence Fox affiliates being forced to run more hype shows for Fox PPVs than they were for UFC PPVs.

[Bob Haymon]

You're confusing two different things. Fox had more UFC programming, but Fox wasn't buying the rights to the UFC PPVs. For PBC, Fox is putting up a guarantee for the PPV and then hustling to make their money back. Hence Fox affiliates being forced to run more hype shows for Fox PPVs than they were for UFC PPVs.

I'm not confused at all. Fox had to make those billions of dollars back they gave the UFC. They gave them a platform which the UFC used to promote their PPVs, because that used to be the lion's share of where Zuffa's revenue came from. It doesn't matter if Fox is doing the hyping or the UFC is doing the hyping on a Fox network, the UFC's hype on Fox's platform was much larger and awareness of their PPV events was greater.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

I'm not confused at all. Fox had to make those billions of dollars back they gave the UFC. They gave them a platform which the UFC used to promote their PPVs, because that used to be the lion's share of where Zuffa's revenue came from. It doesn't matter if Fox is doing the hyping or the UFC is doing the hyping on a Fox network, the UFC's hype on Fox's platform was much larger and awareness of their PPV events was greater.

The fact that UFC's PPVs are less popular than PBC's PPVs doesn't change the fact that Fox pushing a PBC PPV is more effective than Showtime pushing a PBC PPV.

You say not true, and point to Spike, but Spike was in wayyyy more homes than Showtime is and UFC was way more popular in the Spike days. So you're comparing apples to oranges.

If Showtime could deliver more PPV buys than Fox could, then these PBC PPVs would be with Showtime than with Fox. Clearly Fox can more effectively market a PPV. If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, go ahead, but no reasonable person could conclude that hype on Showtime would be as effetive as hype on Fox when Fox is in about 600% more homes.

[Bob Haymon]

The fact that UFC's PPVs are less popular than PBC's PPVs doesn't change the fact that Fox pushing a PBC PPV is more effective than Showtime pushing a PBC PPV.

You say not true, and point to Spike, but Spike was in wayyyy more homes than Showtime is and UFC was way more popular in the Spike days. So you're comparing apples to oranges.

If Showtime could deliver more PPV buys than Fox could, then these PBC PPVs would be with Showtime than with Fox. Clearly Fox can more effectively market a PPV. If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, go ahead, but no reasonable person could conclude that hype on Showtime would be as effetive as hype on Fox when Fox is in about 600% more homes.

UFC PPVs aren't less popular. They still get 700k buys for Jon Jones and they're behind an extra paywall because you need to be an ESPN+ subscriber. Diaz-Masvidal will eclipse PBCs highest selling FOX PPV. Showtime boxing is on it's deathbed but in their best years they were way more effective than Fox could ever be. They've had many of the best selling, highest grossing fights.