Why do we recognize any champion who isn’t lineal?

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  • ShaneMosleySr
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    #81
    No one is because no one cleaned out the heavyweight division. Fury was the last one because he beat Klitschko but Fury retired.

    Originally posted by soul_survivor
    Who is lineal champion at heavyweight?

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    • soul_survivor
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      #82
      Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
      No one is because no one cleaned out the heavyweight division. Fury was the last one because he beat Klitschko but Fury retired.
      hahahaha ok...so was it an anti GGG agenda or what this time?

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        #83
        Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
        Don’t you get that at some point there was an undisputed champion? Undisputed means he’s the only champion and every one agrees.

        Someone beat him. Now he’s the champ. I don’t care if the IBF strips him for some absurd and corrupt reason. Because f**k the IBF, they’re corrupt.

        That’s the point. You keep track of the man who beat the man because that’s what matters.
        If you read that quote...

        Originally posted by Marchegiano
        You're the man who beat the man who was once undisputed but are not yourself undisputed? Seems like a real ***** award to me.

        I did get the point and I spoke to it. The nicest thing I could call the current lineal is a pat on the ass for titlists who can't be what their idols are.

        I won't hate on you and don't hate on folks who currently want to elevate lineal above just another title, but, for myself, it doesn't mean much because it's just a consolation prize for guys who didn't earn the only true championship.

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        • techliam
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          #84
          Originally posted by Curtis Harper
          0-160 is wide reaching.
          But it’s true, there are no official minimum weights in any division

          Obviously the commission is likely to step in if there’s huge weight disparity, but there’s nothing stopping two people 105lb fighters fighting at middleweight, as an example

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            #85
            Originally posted by techliam
            But it’s true, there are no official minimum weights in any division

            Obviously the commission is likely to step in if there’s huge weight disparity, but there’s nothing stopping two people 105lb fighters fighting at middleweight, as an example



            not sure about the technicality regarding that one

            I suspect you may be right regarding the ABC organisations, but the individual commissions still have to sanction the fight

            I remember years back, when Marquez fought a guy who missed weight by 6 pounds... they had to re-sanction the fight in a higher weight class... they joked that Marquez had to fill up his pockets with coins to make the minimum weight in the division above

            it was when he fought Marcus Licona

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              #86
              Originally posted by techliam
              But it’s true, there are no official minimum weights in any division

              Obviously the commission is likely to step in if there’s huge weight disparity, but there’s nothing stopping two people 105lb fighters fighting at middleweight, as an example
              Yes, there is, and there has been since 1920.

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                #87
                " lineal " is just another opinion... one that is often incorrect

                just like all of the other... " opinions "

                lineage is just an opinion that is based on a triangle theory... and we all know how well triangle-theories work in boxing

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                • Curtis Harper
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by techliam
                  But it’s true, there are no official minimum weights in any division

                  Obviously the commission is likely to step in if there’s huge weight disparity, but there’s nothing stopping two people 105lb fighters fighting at middleweight, as an example
                  Common sense steps in, yes.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Marchegiano
                    Yes, there is, and there has been since 1920.
                    Any evidence for that please?

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                    • Marchegiano
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                      #90
                      Heavyweight (over 200 pounds-unlimited; over 91.4 kg; 14 stone, 5 pounds - unlimited): First originated as 160 pounds plus (over 72.7 kg or 11 stone, 4 pounds) by Jack Broughton (in 1738); next established by the ABA as unlimited (in 1889); reaffirmed no limit by the NSC (in 1909); changed by the NYSAC to 175 plus in 1920; modified again in 1979 by the WBC (followed by the WBA in 1982 and the IBF in 1983); again modified in 2004 by the WBA, WBC and IBF to mean 201-plus pounds.


                      Edit- Sorry, forgot to source, the info is Boxrec's.

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