why do the foreigns...

[New England]

Lewis did but was living in Canada at the time and thus represented the Canadian team.

Audley Harrison was also a gold medal winner.

brits didn't accept lewis until he was all but retired. he came over here to make most of his money. he fought for the canadian olympic team and was resented for it.


lewis, like holmes, was not appreciated fully until he was long gone. adn then people were like, "oh f#ck, that guy was one fo the ebest HW i've ever f#cking seen and was damn near unbeatable."

[chrisJS]

brits didn't accept lewis until he was all but retired. he came over here to make most of his money. he fought for the canadian olympic team and was resented for it.


lewis, like holmes, was not appreciated fully until he was long gone. adn then people were like, "oh f#ck, that guy was one fo the ebest HW i've ever f#cking seen and was damn near unbeatable."

Yeah, I noticed that. It’s a shame neither guy got their credit when active because both are top 5 all-time heavyweights.

Holyfield was my guy but I always knew Lewis was the goods. I’ve noticed a lot of young Brits love him more than the older generation did. Nothing wrong with that but he didn’t have the following deserved when active.

[The Big Dunn]

Lewis did but was living in Canada at the time and thus represented the Canadian team.

Audley Harrison was also a gold medal winner.

No, he’s not the first. Audley Harrison won an Olympic gold. And even when Audley wasn’t 1/10th as popular as Josh even before Audley started losing and was evident he’s a bum.

You lot would never accept the fact that he got big because he took risks from early and won in amazing fashion. And played a big role in how big he’s, apart from being a marketing goldmine. Wilder never took any risks. And Fury who’s a **** average shytty/boring boxer also never took any risks.

Reward always come with taking risks and that’s what separate Josh from the rest of these pedestrian but loudmouthed and overprotected boxers. If Josh had taken the bum beating route - Brits would’ve written him off time ago and he’d be struggling to sell out the o2.

Ok thank you. My bad!

[New England]

Yeah, I noticed that. It’s a shame neither guy got their credit when active because both are top 5 all-time heavyweights.

Holyfield was my guy but I always knew Lewis was the goods. I’ve noticed a lot of young Brits love him more than the older generation did. Nothing wrong with that but he didn’t have the following deserved when active.

call it a hangover, living in someone's shadow, whatever. tyson was the biggets thing to happen to boxing since ali. both tyson and ali shadowed legitimately great fighters that came immediately after.

and then i think it goes the other way a little bit, we look at wladimir with rose tinted glasses in some ways, because we didn't worship lewis quite as we should.

[4truth]

Not so much to do with countries of origin as with paths to the top. Joshua won an Olympic gold medal and was the reigning king of the division's pick to succeed him. Wilder has been a work in progress and quite frankly was protected early on for good reason.

IMO, it may well be Wilder's time now to shine. People who understand and appreciate boxing are only just now beginning to take him seriously.

[The Big Dunn]

that probably does have something to do with it...but if wilder even bronzed for them hed still be a big star....especially knocking dudes out the way he does

Won gold medal and hwt title in his home country over a very long reigning HWT champ. I think those contribute heavily to his popularity

[chrisJS]

call it a hangover, living in someone's shadow, whatever. tyson was the biggets thing to happen to boxing since ali. both tyson and ali shadowed legitimately great fighters that came immediately after.

and then i think it goes the other way a little bit, we look at wladimir with rose tinted glasses in some ways, because we didn't worship lewis quite as we should.

Maybe I'm the opposite on Wladimir, but I just never saw greatness with him. He's arguably a top 15 guy but that's it. At least in my opinion.

[Vodkaholic]

OP is a ****ing ******

[Citizen Koba]

where foreigners from spain, brazil, and even unatletic countries like korea, dominate?


britons don't care about football or any sort any more becuase they f#cking suck at it and don't have good athletes.

you wouldn't even think our best athletes are real. literally there are hudnreds if not thousands, of anothony joshuas playing football and basketball in college.

6'6", 250 lb guys who can box on their toes. joshua would look completely ordinary in a locker room full of college kids in alabama. i don't care if you don't believe me, you don't watch american football. i watch boxing and i've seen the eras where the best american athletes didn't play team sports and boxed instead . brits, russians, even cubans literally had no f#cking shot. amateur or pro. american HW have histprically been the most dominant cohort in boxing. that's bcause we have the best large athletes in the world and nobody comes f#cking close! not even close!

louis, ali, tyson, foreman, marciano, holyfield, holmes, norton, frazier, dempsey, liston, johnson, do you see a pattern here? they're all from america. there is one truly great HW who is not from the united states, lennox lewis, and one borderline great, wladimir klitschko, and the latter boxed in a **** era.

Let's take that statement at face value - and I think you could make a good case that there's at least some substance to it - my question is why? Do you believe US citizens are genetically superior to other human beings? Did they have access to better diets sooner? Better training? Or is there some other reason of a different nature altogether - socio-economic pressures perhaps..? Genuinely curious... You reckon there's any chance for the untermenschen to catch up..?

EDIT: But I do gotta ask, man. How old are you, I know you ain't a young dude, but I'm struggling to think of a time when the US consistently dominated the higher weights in the am sport, and of course half the damn world wasn't competing in the pros until well into the 1990s, which makes the historical comparison... well. kinda meaningless.

[chrisJS]

OP is a ****ing ******

He's actually not. He's a decent dude and everything, but he just gets a little caught up in what his favorite fighters rivals fan base thinks rather than just focusing on the fights or trying to be fair down the middle.