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  • #81
    Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
    Because he ain't got a belt.

    Loma has 3 mandatories but wants to unify the division.

    If Haney wanted the shot she should have got a belt.

    Who has Haney fought?
    What is the best name on his record?


    Loma is going for greatness not mediocrity.
    Beating Haney does little for his legacy.
    Unifying a division two weight classes above his natural weight puts him among the elites in boxing history.
    How can he get a belt if Loma will not fight him? You want Haney, who isn't ranked by the IBF, to try and become the #1 contender and somehow get a title fight to win the belt in order to get to fight Loma. How would this be possible?

    It is irrelevant who he has fought. He won the eliminator and is the mandatory challenger to the WBC belt. Why are you putting up roadblocks and asking him to do more?

    It doesn't matter what beating Haney does for his legacy, it matters that Haney is rightfully due a fight with Loma.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by Flo_Raiden View Post
      If Haney is indeed Loma’s mandatory where they will have to fight soon then so be it, I’m fine with that. You guys are acting like I don’t want to see Loma fight Haney down the road. I mainly have an issue with putting Haney in such a high pedestal all of a sudden when he hasn’t achieved anything yet. I would rather he did something worth a damn first before getting his shot with Loma, but since he’s the mandatory then it is what it is.

      Just don’t turn your backs on Haney if he were to lose to Loma.
      None of us put him on a pedestal. He is the mandatory. he earned the fight and is now calling for it. How can you have any issue with that.

      You not knowing he was the mando is one thing. To ask him to do more to earn the fight when he won the eliminator in his last fight is completely unfair.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
        Lomachenko has 3 mandatories and unifying the division take priority.

        Lomachenko wants to fight the best, champions, not a guy who has done nothing.


        And what is Haney's excuse for doing nothing in 4 years and in 23 fights?
        Champions are required to defend against the mandatory challenger. If he doesn't wamt to then give up the belt-which is what you've posted in other situations so the same should apply here.

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        • #84
          He will never get him. Loma will face Commey vs. Lopez winner, then he'll face his WBA mandatory which is winner or Tank vs. Gamboa.

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          • #85
            Lightweights in the queue to face Loma in front of Haney.

            Richard Commey
            Teofimo Lopez
            Lee Selby
            Yuriorkis Gamboa
            Gervonta Davis

            At Superfeather

            Miguel Berchelt
            Leo Santa Cruz
            Oscar Valdez

            Featherweight

            Josh Warrington

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            • #86
              Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
              Champions are required to defend against the mandatory challenger. If he doesn't wamt to then give up the belt-which is what you've posted in other situations so the same should apply here.
              He has 3 mandatories.

              Once he unifies he may face one of them, but Haney is the weakest of the bunch.

              Then he will move back down, maybe try and hold titles across 3 divisions.

              Loma is after legacy, Haney has zero to offer.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                How can he get a belt if Loma will not fight him? You want Haney, who isn't ranked by the IBF, to try and become the #1 contender and somehow get a title fight to win the belt in order to get to fight Loma. How would this be possible?

                It is irrelevant who he has fought. He won the eliminator and is the mandatory challenger to the WBC belt. Why are you putting up roadblocks and asking him to do more?

                It doesn't matter what beating Haney does for his legacy, it matters that Haney is rightfully due a fight with Loma.

                He had 4 years to get one. Loma got 5.
                What is Haney's excuse.

                How about he start by facing some world champions, he not even made it to two levels bellow Loma.

                Haney has been at lightweight two years more than Loma, yet has done nothing whilst Loma has won 3 world titles.


                This is the difference between a good fighter and an all time great.

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                  He has 3 mandatories.

                  Once he unifies he may face one of them, but Haney is the weakest of the bunch.

                  Then he will move back down, maybe try and hold titles across 3 divisions.

                  Loma is after legacy, Haney has zero to offer.
                  His mandatories are Lopez, Davis and Haney. Lopez ( the wba and wbo mando)is fighting Comney for the title so if he wins as expected that will eliminate him as mando.

                  Davis is the IBF mando. I don't know if they will fight. Haney has just as much right as anyone else.

                  As far as I know the plan is to bring Berchelt up from 130 to finally fight him (passed on him when he was the top guy at 130) not go back down to 130.

                  Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                  He had 4 years to get one. Loma got 5.
                  What is Haney's excuse.

                  How about he start by facing some world champions, he not even made it to two levels bellow Loma.

                  Haney has been at lightweight two years more than Loma, yet has done nothing whilst Loma has won 3 world titles.


                  This is the difference between a good fighter and an all time great.
                  Haney doesn't have the same promotional power behind him. Arum got Loma ranked as the mandos for these titles using his power and influence back door. Haney wa supposed to get the title fight Loma got.

                  Haney is also 21. Loma winning world titles is reflective of his age and the lack of talent in the division. Haney has accomplished much more as a pro at age 21 than Loma did.

                  I think I get it-Haney is a real threat and you guys would rather Loma face easier guys like Crolla and Campbell and get belts than fight guys far more talented than they are but who have accomplished less because they are younger or lack the powerful promotional backing.
                  Last edited by The Big Dunn; 10-22-2019, 02:19 PM.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                    His mandatories are Lopez, Davis and Haney. Lopez ( the wba and wbo mando)is fighting Comney for the title so if he wins as expected that will eliminate him as mando.

                    Davis is the IBF mando. I don't know if they will fight. Haney has just as much right as anyone else.

                    As far as I know the plan is to bring Berchelt up from 130 to finally fight him (passed on him when he was the top guy at 130) not go back down to 130.



                    Haney doesn't have the same promotional power behind him. Arum got Loma ranked as the mandos for these titles using his power and influence back door. Haney wa supposed to get the title fight Loma got.

                    Haney is also 21. Loma winning world titles is reflective of his age and the lack of talent in the division. Haney has accomplished much more as a pro at age 21 than Loma did.

                    I think I get it-Haney is a real threat and you guys would rather him face easier guys like Crolla and Campbell and get belts than fight guys far more talented than they are but who have accomplished less because they are younger or lack the powerful promotional backing.

                    Loma will unify the division put his name in history and then win tittles at feather and super feather and hold 3 titles at 3 different weights.

                    Matching the achievements of Whitaker, Duran and Armstrong.

                    Loma doesn't need Haney and offers nothing for Loma's legacy, far bigger fighters for him to have.

                    If only Haney would have done more and got a belt then Loma would school him as well.

                    I guess Haney's management was wise not to make him a target.

                    Haney is only giving the mouth now because he knows he is safe because Loma has bigger fish to fry.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                      None of us put him on a pedestal. He is the mandatory. he earned the fight and is now calling for it. How can you have any issue with that.

                      You not knowing he was the mando is one thing. To ask him to do more to earn the fight when he won the eliminator in his last fight is completely unfair.
                      If he's put himself in line for Loma then he's gonna have to wait his turn like the rest of the fighters. You have Gervonta Davis, Teo Lopez, Commey in line already that want their shot at Loma as well, so obviously Loma should fight those guys first before Haney can get his. And as far as I'm concern Haney isn't on the same level as Davis or Commey yet.

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