Who exactly are ducking Jermall Charlo?

[The Big Dunn]

Let's name the top dogs in the division (in random order):

Jacobs
Derevyanchenko
Lemieux
Andrade
Golovkin
Murata
Canelo
Saunders
Brant
Sulecki

Who else?

This is childish. Canelo, DAZN, wbc and gbp conspired together to create the emeritus champion designation to prevent Canelo from having to defend against him. That should be where your anger is.

There are several names on your list that aren't going to fight Charlo because of their affiliation with rival promotions. That isn't just CHarlo and Haymon's fault, everyone deserves blame. Lemuiex is at 168 so I am not sure why you put his name.

Charlo's next fight, Hogan, is against a dude that should've got the victory over Muniaga. Hogan is moving up. If Charlo was the WBO titlist you'd be perfectly ok with this fight.

Charlo deserves some criticism for his resume but what happened to him regarding Canelo was absolutely disgraceful. Just because Charlo is with PBC doesn't make it any less corrupt.

[alexnation]

Maybe the real question is "what should be considered ducking"? I think boxing scene should have an official definition of certain terms & when they should be considered acceptable to apply to certain situations.If we did that & had some form of rules/order around here,then there wouldn't be daily flame wars between those saying so & so ducked so & so.

My definition of ducking means: to avoid fighting someone because you are worried they might end your gravy train reign & you would rather fight someone easier(style wise or skillwise).

This of course should mean that if a certain fighter is himself fighting opponents weaker than those available to him,then he forfiets any claim to being ducked especially IF supposed ducker fighter is fighting someone more challenging than him. And if the fighter whos supposedly ducking is fighting champs back to back & in higher divisions especially then they cannot be accused of ducking anyone especially if their opponents are also more lucrative fights monetarily.

So under those criteria nobody besides ggg can be said to be ducking Andrade &/or Charlo IMHO.

lmaooo of all fighters on the list he picks GGG to be ducking Charlo

Charlo is easy work for Golovkin. He would bash his face in and not even break sweat

[kushking]

lmaooo of all fighters on the list he picks GGG to be ducking Charlo

Charlo is easy work for Golovkin. He would bash his face in and not even break sweat

Ggg is the one on that list who admitted openly to ducking charlo,hes the only 1 who has chosen at every opportunity to avoid fighting Charlo to face much less lucrative/challenging fights despite being mandated to fight him for a 3rd nelo fight. Charlo is fighting small 154 lb featherfists at every turn but none are nearly as bad as Rolls.

[kushking]

This is childish. Canelo, DAZN, wbc and gbp conspired together to create the emeritus champion designation to prevent Canelo from having to defend against him. That should be where your anger is.

There are several names on your list that aren't going to fight Charlo because of their affiliation with rival promotions. That isn't just CHarlo and Haymon's fault, everyone deserves blame. Lemuiex is at 168 so I am not sure why you put his name.

Charlo's next fight, Hogan, is against a dude that should've got the victory over Muniaga. Hogan is moving up. If Charlo was the WBO titlist you'd be perfectly ok with this fight.

Charlo deserves some criticism for his resume but what happened to him regarding Canelo was absolutely disgraceful. Just because Charlo is with PBC doesn't make it any less corrupt.

The thing about that bs wbc franchise belt is that even though its bs,Canelo was already basically unified at 160,he had every belt besides booboos gifted trinket including lineal & wbo is a joke org anyways that's easily the most corrupt. And nelos after fotd which beating Charlo wouldn't guarantee him anywhere near beating Kovalev(haters would just say he already lost to Korobov as they'd say Andrade fought nobody yet anyways & wasn't good)(reporters like Rosenthal & his ilk will always have excuses to discredit anyone nelo beats & hype cans loma/Crawford beat because"they kod them doe").

To top it off Charlos an undercard fighter & part of a rival network,& brings nothing to the table over Nelos last 2 scheduled opponents (kov/Jacobs),your excusing him dragging up yet another jmw who didn't clearly win the fight vs munguai whos Garbage anyways,& your saying he has a network excuse yet don't give nelo a pass for fighting kov instead?

Charlo has no room to say anyone besides ggg is ducking him,Chenko called him out by name & he ducked him despite being the same promoter as him & having been robbed by ggg.(Chenko demanded him next & instead he chose someone who can't punch his way outta wet paperbag)

I don't agree with franchise belt bs,but I get it because Nelos attempting the unprecedented of being a 3 weight champ at once(yes Fielding was garbage & that trinket don't mean much)but again as I said Nelos trying to win FOTD & Charlo brings nowhere near what Kov does to the table & hasn't done anything of note at mw besides beat 1 legged gimp heiland(who was retired 2&1/2 yrs),he beat a guy his last fight nobody considered even C level & who can't punch & is smaller than mall. Face it Jermall is a pampered pbc hypejob til he beats a good mw,even Korobov was way better than most give him credit but hes old & took fight on weeks notice.

[The Big Dunn]

The thing about that bs wbc franchise belt is that even though its bs,Canelo was already basically unified at 160,he had every belt besides booboos gifted trinket including lineal & wbo is a joke org anyways that's easily the most corrupt. And nelos after fotd which beating Charlo wouldn't guarantee him anywhere near beating Kovalev(haters would just say he already lost to Korobov as they'd say Andrade fought nobody yet anyways & wasn't good)(reporters like Rosenthal & his ilk will always have excuses to discredit anyone nelo beats & hype cans loma/Crawford beat because"they kod them doe").

To top it off Charlos an undercard fighter & part of a rival network,& brings nothing to the table over Nelos last 2 scheduled opponents (kov/Jacobs),your excusing him dragging up yet another jmw who didn't clearly win the fight vs munguai whos Garbage anyways,& your saying he has a network excuse yet don't give nelo a pass for fighting kov instead?

Charlo has no room to say anyone besides ggg is ducking him,Chenko called him out by name & he ducked him despite being the same promoter as him & having been robbed by ggg.(Chenko demanded him next & instead he chose someone who can't punch his way outta wet paperbag)

I don't agree with franchise belt bs,but I get it because Nelos attempting the unprecedented of being a 3 weight champ at once(yes Fielding was garbage & that trinket don't mean much)but again as I said Nelos trying to win FOTD & Charlo brings nowhere near what Kov does to the table & hasn't done anything of note at mw besides beat 1 legged gimp heiland(who was retired 2&1/2 yrs),he beat a guy his last fight nobody considered even C level & who can't punch & is smaller than mall. Face it Jermall is a pampered pbc hypejob til he beats a good mw,even Korobov was way better than most give him credit but hes old & took fight on weeks notice.

Kush I completely get the point in your 1st paragraph but genrick's anger is misplaced and extremely biased.

Charlo did what he was asked to do and put himself into position for a title shot. The way they maneuvered around him is disgraceful. Andrade is also getting screwed over. DAZN is not going to force the top guys to fight him because he is a real risk to make the ggg/canelo or ggg/jacobs rematches meaningless. so basically he is stuck.

The Kov fight isn't as compelling or tough as Andrade, Charlo or GGG imo. Hogan was thought by the overwhelming majority to have won the Muniaga fight. As I posted, you can criticize charlo's resume but what happened to him regarding Canelo was disgraceful.

Hold on Charlo called out Canelo so if "calling out" is the standard than everyone can be accused of ducking if they don't say yes to a call out, we can't pick and choose among callouts.

[kushking]

Kush I completely get the point in your 1st paragraph but genrick's anger is misplaced and extremely biased.

Charlo did what he was asked to do and put himself into position for a title shot. The way they maneuvered around him is disgraceful. Andrade is also getting screwed over. DAZN is not going to force the top guys to fight him because he is a real risk to make the ggg/canelo or ggg/jacobs rematches meaningless. so basically he is stuck.

The Kov fight isn't as compelling or tough as Andrade, Charlo or GGG imo. Hogan was thought by the overwhelming majority to have won the Muniaga fight. As I posted, you can criticize charlo's resume but what happened to him regarding Canelo was disgraceful.

Hold on Charlo called out Canelo so if "calling out" is the standard than everyone can be accused of ducking if they don't say yes to a call out, we can't pick and choose among callouts.

Likewise I agree that Andrade/Charlo deserve a big fight(& payday & I understand that they don't want to mess up the payday that only comes once) but I disagree about them being more dangerous than kov simply because hes a much harder puncher & is a career lhw(agree to disagree about whos more difficult(As I said yes it is bs that Charlo didn't get his big fight sooner), but I don't blame Nelo for the strategic move of trying to make history & balancing it with commercial interests (history books only remember accolades more than perceived dangerousness),the WBC is a pos no doubt & they deserve blame the most.

As far as Derev calling out Charlo,he won the fight vs ggg on most cards,& he is a Haymon fighter afaik,& yet Charlo yet again chose someone far less dangerous thats not debatable imho as Hogan is very green(few 12 rd fights,& has already gotten straight up schooled by Culcay) Bottom line is I'm agreeing that Canelo is making strategic moves,but if you look from his pov you can see that it's very hard to hold his moves against him(regardless of if I'm a huge fan).

I genuinely believe he will fight Charlo or Andrade after Kovalev (win or lose his track record assumes as much along with his statement about going back to mw) & I genuinely believe that FOTD was his main motivation in seeking out Kovalev. So simply put I think Charlo knows he'll get his fight especially if Nelo beats kov & wins fotd,I just noticed a new article where Charlo is backing up what I said by not blaming nelo anymore like before. I just think Charlo/Andrade should get at least 1 mw on the level of derev/Jacobs on their resume or drag down a 168 lber, then they can be a lot more credible if they say hes ducking. I have always believed fighters should step up before big fights if they're not getting big fights.

[The Big Dunn]

Likewise I agree that Andrade/Charlo deserve a big fight(& payday & I understand that they don't want to mess up the payday that only comes once) but I disagree about them being more dangerous than kov simply because hes a much harder puncher & is a career lhw(agree to disagree about whos more difficult(As I said yes it is bs that Charlo didn't get his big fight sooner), but I don't blame Nelo for the strategic move of trying to make history & balancing it with commercial interests (history books only remember accolades more than perceived dangerousness),the WBC is a pos no doubt & they deserve blame the most.

As far as Derev calling out Charlo,he won the fight vs ggg on most cards,& he is a Haymon fighter afaik,& yet Charlo yet again chose someone far less dangerous thats not debatable imho as Hogan is very green(few 12 rd fights,& has already gotten straight up schooled by Culcay) Bottom line is I'm agreeing that Canelo is making strategic moves,but if you look from his pov you can see that it's very hard to hold his moves against him(regardless of if I'm a huge fan).

I genuinely believe he will fight Charlo or Andrade after Kovalev (win or lose his track record assumes as much along with his statement about going back to mw) & I genuinely believe that FOTD was his main motivation in seeking out Kovalev. So simply put I think Charlo knows he'll get his fight especially if Nelo beats kov & wins fotd,I just noticed a new article where Charlo is backing up what I said by not blaming nelo anymore like before. I just think Charlo/Andrade should get at least 1 mw on the level of derev/Jacobs on their resume or drag down a 168 lber, then they can be a lot more credible if they say hes ducking. I have always believed fighters should step up before big fights if they're not getting big fights.

I don't think Deverychenko would be ready for December but I do agree that after this Hogan fight (which I admit isn't great) then Charlo should fight Korobov rematch or Deverychenko, who IMO earned another title shot by virtue of the GGG fight.

I did see the thread where Charlo talked about Canelo fighting Kov and he does sound like he knows the deal.

[DaNeutral.]

It seems only the people that defend everything PBC that seem to think everybody is running from Charlo, a guy who has already proven hes not much more than an average fighter at 160. As far as im concerned everybody on that list kicks the living **** out of average Charlo and that is the reason none of those fights have happened yet. His owners at the PBC had a panic attack when Korobov gave him a slapping and got robbed and they have certainly wrapped Charlo up in cotton wool ever since. Hell he got away with winning a world title without even having to fight for it and now hes facing a 154 fighter after once again making zero attempts at making a fight with any of the guys on that list. Cotton Wool kids, hes wrapped head to toe in the stuff.

[icha]

This is childish. Canelo, DAZN, wbc and gbp conspired together to create the emeritus champion designation to prevent Canelo from having to defend against him. That should be where your anger is.

There are several names on your list that aren't going to fight Charlo because of their affiliation with rival promotions. That isn't just CHarlo and Haymon's fault, everyone deserves blame. Lemuiex is at 168 so I am not sure why you put his name.

Charlo's next fight, Hogan, is against a dude that should've got the victory over Muniaga. Hogan is moving up. If Charlo was the WBO titlist you'd be perfectly ok with this fight.

Charlo deserves some criticism for his resume but what happened to him regarding Canelo was absolutely disgraceful. Just because Charlo is with PBC doesn't make it any less corrupt.

why bring munguia up man?

munguia is crap even at 154 and hogan is around the same level...

[The Big Dunn]

why bring munguia up man?

munguia is crap even at 154 and hogan is around the same level...

Because that was Hogan's last fight and many felt he won the fight, which is part of the reason he is getting the Charlo fight next (the other part being he isn't much of a threat).