Comments Thread For: Derevyanchenko: If GGG Says 'No' - Give Me Canelo or Charlo!

[AKAcronym]

Did his corner protest the tactics used by Derevyanchenko?? His corner post fight didn't even bring it up at least in the interviews I saw.

I'm not sure. I haven't seen any videos that show them bringing anything up. Not sure if they've watched it back yet but if they do, I'm sure they'll notice what Chenko did.

[ThomasJK]

Needn't bother reading this entire thread. Of no Golovkin fight for Dev, then it is nice to see a MW fighter call out some dam body most of us seem to recognize. Either Andrade or Charlo would finally be tested against a top fighter.

[Elastic Recoil]

Doesnt deserve a rematch, he was absolutly disguisting with all those lowblows, hitting behind the head, headbutting, pushing etc. And now he's talking about much respect to GGG and his team, lol, disgraceful Serhiy, you lost a lot of fans in Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan and you havent won one in US, they dont give a damn about some ukranian, they used you and let you fight dirty as you can just to make the maximum damage and age GGG some more, what a shame Sergiy

Excellent post, a lot of truth in that. Some of those low blows were ridiculously low. Also there was a huge amount of hip and back shots. Take those away and the clear better shots were being landed by G

[Ake-Dawg]

Jermall top three in the division??
WTF? !
Based on what??? What has Charlo done to be considered a top three fighter in the division??
Canelo, Andrade, Triple g, and Sergey all better than him!
Plus Jacobs and BJ Saunders better than him if they come back down like they say they would for the right fights so how the fucc is Charlo top three????
I know you a big Charlo fan but i don't rate fighters on potential alone...
I rate fighters on accomplishments and Charlo has accomplished shet so how the fucc is he top three???

So what did Dervy accomplish to be rated #4? Losing the IBF twice and getting dropped twice in the process.

Andrade and Charlo have similar accomplishments so I also don't see how you distinguish the two based upon your rating system. Are you discounting Charlo accomplishments at 154?

I looked at it like this...Charlo is so far down the list at 160 that GGG decided not to beat him up for an easy $10M to force the trilogy with Nelo.

[Elastic Recoil]

Nelo won both fights. Its those SAME PEOPLE who said Nelo lost the 2nd that said he lost the 1st.

If you didn't have it AT LEAST 113-115 to G in the first fight YDNSAB and cant score a fight. A round is 3 minutes long. Throwing 2 good punches in a round but getting outworked for the remainder means YOU LOST the round. Don Trella and Adelaide Byrd saved his butt in that fight. The correct score was 112-116 to G. Canelo won rounds 1,2,3 & 12. 11 was a 10 10. EVERTHING ELSE was G's. Golovkin won that fight comfortably and it should've been another loss added onto Canelo's record alongside Mayweather and Lara.

[Marchegiano]

Derevyanchenko-Canelo sounds like a good ass fight to me.

Is Canelo even a MW anymore though?

[Elastic Recoil]

Well, if GGG is not a challenge to Canelo (in Canelo's own words), then, surely, SD, who (in Canelo's own words) beat GGG, would give Canelo a challenge. Because Canelo is always looking for challenges (in Canelo's own words). Voila.

P.S. Or SD is a bit too fresh for Canelo and the fight should marinate for 2 years until SD is 35? It seems like if Canelo sees fighter as a challenge, he will wait until they go over the magic 35 number. Ah, the sweet years of decline..

Bivol, Callum Smith, Beterbiev - probably not much of a challenge for Canelo either.

Yep, G aint a challange, Andrade is boring and SD is probably "not known enough" or "too few fights" or BS to that effect.

[NachoMan]

If he performs well but comes up short, he gets credit. Not P4P-level credit. P4P MUST mean wins. Not "you tried". And those wins have to be against guys that are a threat. Right now, Charlo is the next clear threat I see. Charlo has WAY more power and accuracy, from what I can see of him. What we don't know is who has the higher ring IQ of the two. Which is why I want to see it.

But in the meantime, he's certainly no gatekeeper; it's not like he's losing 8+ rounds UD. But it's a disservice to the fighters to go around giving "P4P" trophies for effort.

And as far as the scorecards go you have two choices. One, get the knockout. Figure it out. Two, be SO much better than your opponent that you get the scores every time. Floyd managed it, Ward managed it, Calslappy managed it, Menayothin managed it. AT some point we need to hold the fighters responsible for showing up SIGNIFICANTLY better than their opponent, instead of "I gave away rounds" etc etc.

Well, I was sort of with you for a while, but now we're diverging sharply. You say that he's no gatekeeper, but you described him exactly as that in your previous post; a guy who can beat the B-level guys, but not the elite. Now you're saying that it doesn't matter how he performs; just that he gets the official nod - whether it was a just decision or not. That's just plain nonsense. Then you raise the bar and say he should just get the KO if he's so special. Who else is KOing other elite fighters?? Lastly, nobody is calling him P4P, just one of the MW elite, which he clearly is.

[NachoMan]

I scored it for Derev when I first watched it but once I watched it back, I too realized how dirty he fought. I was shocked to see how many punches were low, didn't land or weren't technically scoring punches. For as seasoned as Chenko is, it's surprising that his punch technique is actually pretty ****. I can't remember if he measured Golovkin but if he wasn't warned, it's pretty weird that he wasn't, considering the ref warned Golovkin about measuring when he fought Stevens. He fought a good fight and had a hell of a tank, but he actually didn't do as well as I thought. He got saved too at the end of whatever round it was where Harvey stepped in too early.

Since when can't you can't measure your opponent?

[AKAcronym]

Since when can't you can't measure your opponent?

I see it get enforced sometimes. I brought it up because Harvey Dock warned against Golovkin doing it against Stevens but it was fine for Chenko to do it against Gennadiy.