Comments Thread For: Canelo: DAZN Didn't Pressure Me To Take Golovkin Fight

[aboutfkntime]

I respect it. I don’t look at it as him needing to grow 5 lbs to fight just ANYONE. I think Canelo and Golden boy knew that to GGG was a much larger challenge than anyone else, and wanted Alvarez in top form to fight him. I don’t really take anything away from the Chávez fight. It was a big payday to shut a guy up. 160. 170. 200 lbs whatever , canelo was the better fighter so he could take those risks and allow Chávez to come in however he wanted.

For GGG he couldn’t do that. And he didn’t. I give him credit for fighting him at 160, no catch weight. I give him credit for not getting knocked out. I give him credit for doing an immediate rematch and actually fighting a lot more aggressively in the rematch.

All in all if you look at Canelos career he didn’t spend A LOT of time at 160 (or 155+) fighting people OTHER than Golovkin.

He’s probably had 6 or 7 fights above 154 if I had to guess. Two were GGG one was Cotto (the lineal champ) and one was Jacobs. So if he took it “easy”
On 3/7 of his middle weight fights, (Chavez. Khan. Fielding) I think he deserves some credit, and at the very least shouldn’t be labeled a “ducker”.

Now, if your complaint is about PED usage, that’s another story.

Canelo has only ever had 3 middleweight fights, period

Golovkin
Golovkin
Jacobs

[Senor_frogs]

Hmm...Max is employed by ESPN. By this logic, if he is, in your opinion susceptible to his employer's pressure, wouldn't it be logical to assume he might play ESPN's tune? Its not like he is a freelancer-millionaire doing this as a hobby, right? He just changed a.s.s that he needs to kiss.

And he is dead wrong on GGG. We all set up impossibly high standards for GGG and when he, naturally, does not satisfy our ridiculous expectations, we throw him into the mud. People are weird.

The PBC doesn’t even mention Bud when they’re talking about the WW division champs. So there is network biases. And it’s employees play to the tune that the networks want. And like I stated before Max is just saying what a lot of people though about GGG for years including myself. HBO over hyped him. Yes he had 23 straight knock outs but let’s look at the opponents. None were elite fighters. All of them were cans aside from rosado who is a decent fighter and moved up in weight to fight him. And what ridiculous expectations are you talking about?

[Shadoww702]

Actually the Liam Smith fight was for the 154 lb WBO belt. Smith won the vacant belt fighting John Thompson and defended it a couple times before losing it to Alvarez. Wasn’t fought at a catch weight or Canelo weight. He made 154 to stop Smith for that belt. Then moved on to JCC jr. then moved on to GGG. Liam Smith has never fought above 154. He actually tried to win his belt back from Jaime Mungia recently and lost a decision.

So credit to Alvarez for still being able to make 154, but going up to 160 to face GGG. Anyone who does that isn’t a ducker. Sergio Martinez didn’t do it. Nor Sturm. Nor Cotto. And they all had belts at 160.

Alvarez moves UP to fight him. And fought him i
twice.

I meant SWW not SMW. But he was agreed to fight GGG before the Chavez fight. Everyone knew he would beat Chavez. But I never saw GGG move up when Ward was there???

[alexjust]

The PBC doesn’t even mention Bud when they’re talking about the WW division champs. So there is network biases. And it’s employees play to the tune that the networks want. And like I stated before Max is just saying what a lot of people though about GGG for years including myself. HBO over hyped him. Yes he had 23 straight knock outs but let’s look at the opponents. None were elite fighters. All of them were cans aside from rosado who is a decent fighter and moved up in weight to fight him. And what ridiculous expectations are you talking about?

How many examples of elite vs elite that result in KO you will be able to point out compared to elite vs elite that result in scorecards? It would be an interesting statistics (if you have a legitimate source), but please don't throw in anecdotal evidence. We all can do that.

Max criticized GGG in his video for not dominating or stopping Canelo. That is ridiculously high standard, which Max does not apply to anyone else. Not to Spence when he fought Garcia, not to Wilder when he fought Fury, not to Mayweather when he fought Canelo. But with GGG - all of a sudden we expect nothing less than a perfection. Add double standards to already ridiculous expectations of GGG.

No, GGG did not stop Canelo, but he did clearly won the first fight (even if the fight was close). If you so much inclined to go by what "a lot of people" are saying, check the prevailing opinion (boxers, journalists and public) over who won the first fight. And that begs the question to which you must give yourself an honest answer (if you can): what is GGG's level if he, at 35, beat Canelo (elite, prime, experienced and 8 years younger)? But no, let's deny GGG any credit for this because he didn't send Canelo to the ER. No ER=GGG is overrated.

Call him a "bum" while you are at it, add yourself some credibility

[Elastic Recoil]

tell us again, what Jabkin was doing... as Canelo punched him in the face

GGG has always been the type to take to take a punch just to give a punch. Seeing him get hit in the pocket is nothing new...

What was Canelo doing in round 10 as GGG pulled and smashed him him with a thunderous right cross?

What was the ginger one doing in round 11 as GGG smashed him with twpo huge consecutive right hooks making his legs stiffen up?

Answers on a post card please.

[TonyGe]

How many examples of elite vs elite that result in KO you will be able to point out compared to elite vs elite that result in scorecards? It would be an interesting statistics (if you have a legitimate source), but please don't throw in anecdotal evidence. We all can do that.

Max criticized GGG in his video for not dominating or stopping Canelo. That is ridiculously high standard, which Max does not apply to anyone else. Not to Spence when he fought Garcia, not to Wilder when he fought Fury, not to Mayweather when he fought Canelo. But with GGG - all of a sudden we expect nothing less than a perfection. Add double standards to already ridiculous expectations of GGG.

No, GGG did not stop Canelo, but he did clearly won the first fight (even if the fight was close). If you so much inclined to go by what "a lot of people" are saying, check the prevailing opinion (boxers, journalists and public) over who won the first fight. And that begs the question to which you must give yourself an honest answer (if you can): what is GGG's level if he, at 35, beat Canelo (elite, prime, experienced and 8 years younger)? But no, let's deny GGG any credit for this because he didn't send Canelo to the ER. No ER=GGG is overrated.

Call him a "bum" while you are at it, add yourself some credibility

Good post you got right to the core problem with Kellerman. He pontificates even when he is being a hypocrite. His viewing ratings must be down so he figures a controversial opinion will give him a boost.

[aboutfkntime]

GGG has always been the type to take to take a punch just to give a punch. Seeing him get hit in the pocket is nothing new...

What was Canelo doing in round 10 as GGG pulled and smashed him him with a thunderous right cross?

What was the ginger one doing in round 11 as GGG smashed him with twpo huge consecutive right hooks making his legs stiffen up?

Answers on a post card please.

most people call that a face-first brawler

Jabkin is not a face-first brawler... but he sure aint no Mexican

Golovkin stepped up 4x...

... twice with Canelo, once with Jacobs, and once with Derevyanchenko

he took a clear official loss to Canelo... a unofficial loss to Derevyanchenko... and 2 asterisks

just so long as you are happy with that

[aboutfkntime]

The PBC doesn’t even mention Bud when they’re talking about the WW division champs. So there is network biases. And it’s employees play to the tune that the networks want. And like I stated before Max is just saying what a lot of people though about GGG for years including myself. HBO over hyped him. Yes he had 23 straight knock outs but let’s look at the opponents. None were elite fighters. All of them were cans aside from rosado who is a decent fighter and moved up in weight to fight him. And what ridiculous expectations are you talking about?

we just heard that... straight from the horses mouth

like I said earlier... eventually, Max even kept it real about Pacquiao

g-strings, stop making excuses... the jig is up

wanted a big drama show... but did not want any actual drama

[Elastic Recoil]

most people call that a face-first brawler

Jabkin is not a face-first brawler... but he sure aint no Mexican

Golovkin stepped up 4x...

... twice with Canelo, once with Jacobs, and once with Derevyanchenko

he took a clear official loss to Canelo... a unofficial loss to Derevyanchenko... and 2 asterisks

just so long as you are happy with that

Golovkin has been known to block shots with his face and forehead - see Monroe, Wade and 1st Canelo fights. GGG's balance is impecable hence his ability to brush of flush shots to the face.

And let me correct you on your view of the above of events;

one unofficial win vs Canelo
one unofficial draw vs Canelo
One CLEAR win against Jacobs
One close win vs Derevyanchenko

So really it should be 3-0-1 to G

Lets face it if you didn't have it by at least 115-112 to Golovkin in the first Canelo fight YDNSAB. That fight was badly cooked in ginger boys favour. Not only was there that ridiculous 118-110 score by that ugly tard Adelaide Byrd but round 7 where Golovkin lierally had Canelo backing up around all 4 corners of the ring eating jabs and hooks for the entire 3 minutes, it was awarded to Canelo by Don Trella!? (even Adelaide Byrd scored it to Golovkin) Had Trella awarded that round to Golovkin the overall result would've been a split decision win to G.

Unfortunately this is the crap you get with Canelo, his team, the judges, the comission, his fans, his cheating, his cherry picking, his ducking... I could literally go on forever!

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin has been known to block shots with his face and forehead .....GGG's balance is impecable hence his ability to brush of flush shots to the face.....



..... I could literally go on forever!

please, stop..... you are killing me





Golovkin's official record against top opposition:
2* - 1 - 1


Golovkin's unofficial record against top opposition:
1* - 2 - 1


Canelo's official record against top opposition:
15 (1*) - 1 - 1





stay humble soldier