Comments Thread For: Canelo: DAZN Didn't Pressure Me To Take Golovkin Fight

[JLC]

At 155 Alvarez was fighting at SMW on fight night.

There’s not a 154 lber out there who doesn’t rehydrate to at least 161 lbs. what’s your point ?

[ruedboy]

There’s not a 154 lber out there who doesn’t rehydrate to at least 161 lbs. what’s your point ?

Yeah, you're right. He was probably rehydrating closer to LHW.

[alexjust]

Alvarez boxed his head off in the first fight and then beat the Mexican out of him in the second. But you can lie to yourself if you want.

No one person is the same. So if you think the human body is exactly alike and that every athlete ages at the same rate. Then I don’t know what to tell you lol. There’s guys who in their mid 30’s are and were still competing at an elite level. 2 examples are Pacquiao and Hopkins. So there you go.

Now like I stated before it’s not that hard to see that the guys he knocked out prior to finally stepping it up in comp were not elite. All you have to do is go look at their careers or just ask someone with a bit of boxing knowledge and not your typical every day casual Fanboi and you’ll find the answer to your question. None will be potential HOF or remember to having great careers.

And your right. GGG will not have the chance to prove he’s an all time great by choosing to fight guys like Vanes and Rolls of the world. Or by choosing to take an IBO mandatory defense against yet another unknown. And looks like he is. Which will not help his case. And if he does take that mando then we can assume is straight BS and is avoiding the other top guys in the division. Because at this point in his career Golovkin is above belts and mandatories. So he better step it up because he’s running out of time. Also the best thing he has in his resume are the 23 straight ko’s and Canelo and Jacobs names. Not a hall of fame career if you ask me.

Now regarding Canelo and Clenbuterol. I would go on and explain to you why it was found to be that it was in fact ingested by accident and not injected. Or why WADA has a new code of conduct for Clenbuterol, where they have finally acknowledged a threshold for contamination cases. But I won’t because we both know that that wouldn’t matter because you GGG fans don’t care about FACTS. So I won’t even bother.

One last thing. GGG has been beaten convincingly. And all those fans, boxers, trainers and media members who you said had GGG beating Alvarez in the first fight. Those same guys you mentioned saw Derevyanchenko beat Golovkin convincingly.

Let's walk through the debris:

No one person is the same. So if you think the human body is exactly alike and that every athlete ages at the same rate. Then I don’t know what to tell you lol. There’s guys who in their mid 30’s are and were still competing at an elite level. 2 examples are Pacquiao and Hopkins. So there you go.
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True, but you mentioned exceptions, not those who populate the rules. And GGG at 37, while still in a better shape than Mike Tyson was at 35, lost a step.


Now like I stated before it’s not that hard to see that the guys he knocked out prior to finally stepping it up in comp were not elite. All you have to do is go look at their careers or just ask someone with a bit of boxing knowledge and not your typical every day casual Fanboi and you’ll find the answer to your question. None will be potential HOF or remember to having great careers.
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You are reiterating the point I didn't argue. Why? GGG did not fight HOF fighters, except for Canelo. I don't think Jacobs and SD will make a HOF case for themselves.

Now regarding Canelo and Clenbuterol. I would go on and explain to you why it was found to be that it was in fact ingested by accident and not injected. Or why WADA has a new code of conduct for Clenbuterol, where they have finally acknowledged a threshold for contamination cases. But I won’t because we both know that that wouldn’t matter because you GGG fans don’t care about FACTS. So I won’t even bother.
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I'm all for facts. Put them out there, pumpkin. As long as these are real facts and not your interpretation of information. For example, a link to WADA's new code of conduct *********? I'm really curious. But you do know that amending rules does not prove Canelo did not do something he wasn't supposed to, right?

And please explain what FACTS prove accidental indigestion. Have you been with him 24/7? Other than Canelo and his most trusted team members nobody would ever know this for a fact. At best what you can present would be hearsay or Canelo's own testimony. That's not much of a fact, isn't it? As a matter of fact, Canelo was penalized for his taco meat. I'm sure he presented his case, but it did not result in acquittal. That's also a fact. Btw, living in Mexico and not knowing about Clenbuterol issue when you are a professional athlete? Good one.

And your right. GGG will not have the chance to prove he’s an all time great by choosing to fight guys like Vanes and Rolls of the world. Or by choosing to take an IBO mandatory defense against yet another unknown. And looks like he is. Which will not help his case. And if he does take that mando then we can assume is straight BS and is avoiding the other top guys in the division. Because at this point in his career Golovkin is above belts and mandatories. So he better step it up because he’s running out of time. Also the best thing he has in his resume are the 23 straight ko’s and Canelo and Jacobs names. Not a hall of fame career if you ask me.
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GGG is not an ATG because he never fought a HOF or another ATG while GGG was in his prime. I believe he would have pulled it off, but that's a speculation at this point.

He did beat Canelo though, just like he beat Jacobs. And he did that past 35. Plus he walked through lower level opponents like they didn't exist. So yeah...all in all together that's a HOF career. Vitali Klitschko was only challenged by Lewis and he lost on doctor's order to stop the fight. And he is HOF, GGG's resume (with adjustment to not fighting an ATG Lewis) is better than Vitali's. So yeah...HOF status would be well deserved. I'm afraid though that the unrealistic expectations people applied to him would fail him at the end and that's why he might not get the HOF status. Geniuses like you will be screaming how he got "exposed" when he didn't KO top opposition fighting them at 35-37.

[JLC]

Yeah, you're right. He was probably rehydrating closer to LHW.

He weighed 170 for a second day weigh in with Jacobs and that fight was at middleweight. Guess it’s possible that he weighed in even more than that even though he was making a weight 4 lbs below middle weight, because there was no rehydration clauses.

Either way, he made the weight. It is what it is. It’s smart to fight at the lowest weight you can safely make. 99 percent of fighters probably do so. I guess not all eat tainted beef though.

[ruedboy]

He weighed 170 for a second day weigh in with Jacobs and that fight was at middleweight. Guess it’s possible that he weighed in even more than that even though he was making a weight 4 lbs below middle weight, because there was no rehydration clauses.

Either way, he made the weight. It is what it is. It’s smart to fight at the lowest weight you can safely make. 99 percent of fighters probably do so. I guess not all eat tainted beef though.

Alvarez is an amazing physical specimen.
For his 168 lb title fight, he was a ripped 167.5 and for his previous fight he was a ripped 159.5.

[champion4ever]

In a way, Canelo is right. When DAZN initially signed him, Golovkin was not part of the original deal. It was only after Golovkin got onboard with DAZN, that they started to push and demand for that fight. They were being arrogantly presumptuous.

DAZN needs to make up their minds. Are they are going to be an online sports streaming platform or are they going to become match makers. If the latter is true, then what the Hell does Canelo needs GBP for; If DAZN gets to choose his opponents for him? Now they all have egg on their face and look like damned fools.

[JLC]

He did beat Canelo though, just like he beat Jacobs. And he did that past 35. Plus he walked through lower level opponents like they didn't exist. So yeah...all in all together that's a HOF career. Vitali Klitschko was only challenged by Lewis and he lost on doctor's order to stop the fight. And he is HOF, GGG's resume (with adjustment to not fighting an ATG Lewis) is better than Vitali's. So yeah...HOF status would be well deserved. I'm afraid though that the unrealistic expectations people applied to him would fail him at the end and that's why he might not get the HOF status. Geniuses like you will be screaming how he got "exposed" when he didn't KO top opposition fighting them at 35-37.

Great point about Vitali and GGG careers as they relate to the Hall. I have to say I agree.

And even w Vitali facing Lennox, he still got stopped. Legitimately. If Vitali goes, Golovkin goes !

As long as Carl Froch doesn’t make it I’m happy.

[Senor_frogs]

Let's walk through the debris:

No one person is the same. So if you think the human body is exactly alike and that every athlete ages at the same rate. Then I don’t know what to tell you lol. There’s guys who in their mid 30’s are and were still competing at an elite level. 2 examples are Pacquiao and Hopkins. So there you go.
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True, but you mentioned exceptions, not those who populate the rules. And GGG at 37, while still in a better shape than Mike Tyson was at 35, lost a step.


Now like I stated before it’s not that hard to see that the guys he knocked out prior to finally stepping it up in comp were not elite. All you have to do is go look at their careers or just ask someone with a bit of boxing knowledge and not your typical every day casual Fanboi and you’ll find the answer to your question. None will be potential HOF or remember to having great careers.
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You are reiterating the point I didn't argue. Why? GGG did not fight HOF fighters, except for Canelo. I don't think Jacobs and SD will make a HOF case for themselves.

Now regarding Canelo and Clenbuterol. I would go on and explain to you why it was found to be that it was in fact ingested by accident and not injected. Or why WADA has a new code of conduct for Clenbuterol, where they have finally acknowledged a threshold for contamination cases. But I won’t because we both know that that wouldn’t matter because you GGG fans don’t care about FACTS. So I won’t even bother.
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I'm all for facts. Put them out there, pumpkin. As long as these are real facts and not your interpretation of information. For example, a link to WADA's new code of conduct *********? I'm really curious. But you do know that amending rules does not prove Canelo did not do something he wasn't supposed to, right?

And please explain what FACTS prove accidental indigestion. Have you been with him 24/7? Other than Canelo and his most trusted team members nobody would ever know this for a fact. At best what you can present would be hearsay or Canelo's own testimony. That's not much of a fact, isn't it? As a matter of fact, Canelo was penalized for his taco meat. I'm sure he presented his case, but it did not result in acquittal. That's also a fact. Btw, living in Mexico and not knowing about Clenbuterol issue when you are a professional athlete? Good one.

And your right. GGG will not have the chance to prove he’s an all time great by choosing to fight guys like Vanes and Rolls of the world. Or by choosing to take an IBO mandatory defense against yet another unknown. And looks like he is. Which will not help his case. And if he does take that mando then we can assume is straight BS and is avoiding the other top guys in the division. Because at this point in his career Golovkin is above belts and mandatories. So he better step it up because he’s running out of time. Also the best thing he has in his resume are the 23 straight ko’s and Canelo and Jacobs names. Not a hall of fame career if you ask me.
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GGG is not an ATG because he never fought a HOF or another ATG while GGG was in his prime. I believe he would have pulled it off, but that's a speculation at this point.

He did beat Canelo though, just like he beat Jacobs. And he did that past 35. Plus he walked through lower level opponents like they didn't exist. So yeah...all in all together that's a HOF career. Vitali Klitschko was only challenged by Lewis and he lost on doctor's order to stop the fight. And he is HOF, GGG's resume (with adjustment to not fighting an ATG Lewis) is better than Vitali's. So yeah...HOF status would be well deserved. I'm afraid though that the unrealistic expectations people applied to him would fail him at the end and that's why he might not get the HOF status. Geniuses like you will be screaming how he got "exposed" when he didn't KO top opposition fighting them at 35-37.

Again no athlete ages at the same rate. I would give you more examples but I can see that it won’t matter to you.

Now. You wanted a link here you go Fanboi. I shoulda know that you wouldn’t go looking for facts on your own.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...tice_final.pdf

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2019-05/wada-publishes-stakeholder-notice-regarding-meat-contamination%3famp

Now show me where it says that Lovkin beat Alvarez. Cuz all I seem to find is that they had a draw in the first and Cinnamon won the second. Please provide a link. You talk about stating facts and not interpretation of information yet you go and say “ He did beat Canelo though, just like he beat Jacobs.” Those aren’t facts. That’s your opinion and nothing else.

Hof career he destroyed nothing but cans and has a Draw and a loss against Alvarez. His best win is Danny Jacobs. Take Alvarez out of his resume and he has nothing.

[Elastic Recoil]

He’s 29 and already has a better record than Lovkin. He doesn’t need to keep fighting till he’s 37 to try and cement his legacy like Lovkin is trying to do. And you do know that every state differs on how you can wrap your hands? Or not. Also as Abel Sanchez said to GGG in the 8th “We’re losing here, ok”. And admitted after the fight that GGG lost.

There is always something questionable with canelo... Getting a draw against mayweather from one judge, the Cotto and Trout fights being wide decisions when in reality they were much closer, clearly losing to G in the first fight but getting a draw.

Yes if you blindly look at his resume it looks impressive, but hardcore boxing fans who are aware of all the shenanigans throughout his career will never seem him as a boxing great. Although Golovkin doesn't have the names on his resume that Canelo does (partly because his promoters in Germany were messing him around not getting him the big fights against their other champions and only moving to the USA at age 30) he will be remembered as a beast with a unique fighting style, granite chin and ferocious punching power which led to 23 consecutive KO's. Within the past 50 years there has literally not been another fighter like Golovkin: so adept at cutting of the ring with the the ultimate goal of seek and destroy.

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin tip-toed through the tulips, waiting for someone to hand him a signature win

he thought that signature win would be a green 19yo kid that he remembered sparring up at big bear

but while he waited, tip-toeing through the tulips... the green kid grew up into a real Mexican and beat the taco's out of Golovkin

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hilarious