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Why would Davis go to Dazn for Farmer???
Davis is A side
Why would Spence go to ESPN for Crawford?
Spence is A side.
Makes zero sense.
These guys are getting higher tv ratings. More eyeballs = A side in US.
Joshua can’t touch Wilder in US viewership. In fact it’s not even close.Comment
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respect on the link.. but i can write that kinda bs all day.
al pays good.. mexican.. i am mexican. get paid good by haymon.. i am *** mexican.. i really care about money.. i do... my pretty japanese wife.. demands i make money..
money.. talks..
are you mexican... can you read or understand spanish..
i can go off on you.. but i won't.. you are a new guy.. maybe an alt..
i work in finance.. Tokyo Japan.. people gotta put up money to make sense.. shalom.
sorry for coming down on you.. i am getting tired of young know nothings posting bs.Comment
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inspire me... i am interested.. teach me something..
i live in Tokyo.. I am a mexican***..a lazy gambler..i have boxed as a kid.. from 10 til 18... come from a family of fighters..
that being said.. i am open to learning new things..
i can hopefully digest what you have to share..
i am hungry.
right now.. lil homie.. i am easting sandwiches. and suffering a big typhoon.. Tokyo.. japan..
i am kinda bored.. i am reading my torah, battling with ****** rabbi. and chin checking putos.
do not be a puto..
i wait.. for you to reply.. in the meanwhile.. i am watching boxing.. of old.Comment
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More people watch Premier league football than they do la liga and serie A. Yet, C.Ronaldo plays for Juventus in Serie A and is a far far bigger commercial commodity than any other players on the planet.
Who brings more money? US viewership barely matters since there are different contexts eg a 900k views on a non-ppv wilder fight, or 300k ppv buys..vs a new subscription channel that might have around 300-400k viewers on subscription (which will grow anyway both nationally and globally) eg there is far more growth in dazn then with an established audience on fox/showtime.
AJ trends far more than Wilder.
don't believe me, look at google trends.
those are the US stats
here are the global stats
Wilder's high was from a SUPERFIGHT. AJ was only boxing Ruiz (which at the time was not seen as a big fight).
He has far more social media traction.
Wilder 2.1m followers
AJ 9.6m
AJ is commercially on a much higher level.
It's not even close.
Furthermore, the real growth in boxing is going to come globally. Just like the English premier league, it's biggest growth phase occured when Asian viewers came in followed by asian sponsors.
dazn are far far better placed to deliver to new markets.
AJ is more like a flagship name, just like they have C.Ronaldo. Do you think they make money off Ronaldo? merely his name attached to the dazn brand through Serie A gives dazn legitimacy.
Also dazn work with the sports betting industry. they make other money you dont know about. that's why AJ is sponsored by william hill.
It isnt just based on how many americans are watching.
Also about Farmer vs Davis or Crawford vs Spence..it isnt just about the boxers but the networks behind them. it's about who can put up more money.
Espn are bigger than fox, but they'll work with fox to do a shared broadcasting deal for that fight.
Tevin is not a big star so of course he'll end up on fox/showtime for Davis.Comment
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There's a lot of truth in that article. In the welterweight, for example, the top ones have reached their peak. Not one of them will ever become Canelo-level star. Look at what happened when they finally fought each other. They are all close fights; Thurman/Porter, Thurman/Garcia, Porter/Thurman, Porter/Garcia, then Spence didn't even beat Porter in a dominating fashion.Comment
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bro...im not going to insult you....but youre an "idiot" if you think hearn has done anything for wilder
if wilder was born in UK and medaled hed be AJ....if AJ was born in america and medaled hed be wilder......dont act like hearn has done anything special....wilders situation is because of the overall situation of boxing in america
wilder is still one of the top paid fighters in the US and most recognized US fighters.....but his popularity isnt a reflection of him its the state of boxing in the US these days
same with AJ...hearn hasnt done some masterful job....the UK was going to get behind AJ like that if warren or anyone else was promoting him over there
hearn didnt masterfully guide wilder to some 120 mil offer....thats delusional...wiilder winning and knocking people out+ the lure of him fighting AJ is what got him the offer.....hearn didnt master stroke anything...wilder being wilder combined with AJ being AJ and the intrigue of them fighting is what got the offer....
lol@him ducking AJ...he came up with AJs 50 mil and AJ backtracked and told the fans to go fight train and fight him themselves if they thought it was easy....and then said the fans dont control his career after saying "It has to be in the UK for the fans"...LOL
wilder agreed to fight whyte...he said "put AJ on the contract as being next and ill fight whyte"....hearn said "cant do that"...lol...get real guyLast edited by Curt Henning; 10-11-2019, 06:57 PM.Comment
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i didnt actually know what a puto was, so i just looked it up. a male **********?
saying you like to chin check putos sounds a bit wrong man.
But you know, if i called for a meal right now, i would end up in queue because they're busy..and then the delivery would take an hour.
I could call a ********** (of the female variety) right now, she would be here in 15mins and she would cost the same as a meal.
Just like good food, the price doesnt reflect the quality.
There are ****ed up old crackwhores trying to sell themselves for 5x what a nice eastern european teen 8/10 would cost. Although she is probably trafficked, but is that morally worse than eating a slaughtered animal? end of the day it's all just meat isnt it?
I wouldnt mind ****ing a mexican/***ish whore though you know? there's more variety in whores than there is in food these days..and i would pick up more bacteria eating an indian meal than I would a whore.
I also read the bible from time to time. I read different scriptures, because just like ***** and food, i like variety in scripture.
What part of the bible are you reading anyway?
my fav is Ecclesiastes.
Very Tyson Fury-esque
'a time to beat klitschko
a time to get depressed
a time to retire and a time to come back and beat up a part time nigerian ancestory spirit'
Solomon also had to fight the part time nigerian ancestory spirit. It's name is Asmodeus
looks like deontay wilder doesnt he?Comment
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I disagree with what you've said about how 'if aj was american he would be wilder' and vice versa. They are two different guys altogether.
I'll tell you what the problem has been in the US
Bob Arum, just like Don King, fixed fights. Drama gets people talking, it gets airtime on mainstream media.
Don king fixed Mike Tyson's loss, just like Arum fixed Oscar's loss to felix trinidad.
This actually opened the doors for the next phase of growth in US boxing. That loss actually kickstarted a new era in boxing. with an L on his record, Oscar didnt proceed with caution, he boxed anyone eg mayweather, pacquaio. Not to say oscar was ever afraid of anyone..but imagine oscar was advised by al haymon back then?
Oscar knew what was up and quit top rank, floyd did the same. The problem was floyd also capitalised on that era because he beat Oscar became the biggest name in boxing..and then went the al haymon route (you should know what i mean by this).
Floyd also had the benefit of having lots of latino boxers to fight in his active divisions because they are the biggest viewers in boxing right now.
My point is with the right type of circumstances, it's possible to blow up into a MEGA star in boxing. However you have to go full circle to create the next superstar. Eg if Floyd had boxed Errol Spence and got beat, Spence would become a HUGE name..but controversy sells, Spence would have to live his life like a rock star to get mainstream attention.
ive been watching Wilder since the kelvin prince fight. I thought he was going to step up by 2013. He actually boxed on an amir khan undercard in Sheffield in 2013, with AJ sat at ringside next to Schaeffer.
Wilder at that stage were tailor made to take the step up to fight Klitschko. He was gaining a lot of traction. problem is, he was promoted by GBP and then moved to pbc..like i said. That messed up a focused push because his biggest handler, had bigger things on his mind.
You know charles martin was an al haymon fighter? aj/hearn paid Martin $1m for that fight to get aj his first belt. It goes without saying that should have been Wilder.
Btw this has nothing to do with comparing him to aj and the uk market. This is about wilder getting the right promotion, airtime, attention and money from the broadcaster.
So..wilder went from $1m to $10m in 2 yrs..and it's largely because showtime were paying extra due to attention wilder got from the uk and then dazn.
So obv Eddie had a big hand in that. How hard is that to accept?
lol@him ducking AJ...he came up with AJs 50 mil and AJ backtracked and told the fans to go fight train and fight him themselves if they thought it was easy....and then said the fans dont control his career after saying "It has to be in the UK for the fans"...LOL
After the $12.5m offer, Richard Schaeffer dissed the offer and said "that is a $100m fight" but in the context, Schaeffer was obviously referring to the proposed WEMBLEY fight in the UK.
It was in response to that that AJ said "if you think it does $100m, give me 50% of that".
in that context, it was the same terms, where wilder's side assumes the risk of paying aj $50m ie putting their money where their mouth is and not making these ****** demands/claims for more money.
The problem was when the 50m came, it was by email from wilder, who demanded that AJ accepts within 24 hours or 'you're a coward' aswell as 'i need to you say the word, wilder, i accept your offer'. There was no contract, no details at that point.
AJ's response from the get go was 'lets go'..as in 'let's do this'.
Eddie was promoting Daniel jacob's fight in the US so he was regularly in NY and demanding to talk to Finkle or Al haymon. He was publicly, on camera, stating he wishes to talk to them about the offer 'we're definitely interested, now let's see the details'. This is perfectly reasonable.
Wilder's side said "we wont give you details unless you verbally agree" but like people inc Eddie pointed out, in NY law, a verbal agreement is legally binding.
Not long later you had a Shelly Finkle statement through Dan Rafael on espn, where finkle said
"the fight is wherever Wilder chooses"
"there is no rematch clause if aj loses"
this is documented fact.
that's where the context was shifted and it's why they demanded aj verbally agrees first.
Months later, you had Frank Warren claiming it would have been on bt sports and lying saying 'i saw the contract, it was for 2 fights, $80m" which contradicts what Finkle said about no rematch clause.
Wilder's side then publicly accepted a $15m offer. They were sent the contract, waiting 2 weeks then said "it doesnt have aj's signature, this is a bs contract" (what sort of excuse is that?).
so then there was a wait for aj's signature...which was done...
then wilder said "there's no rematch clause"
Then Canelo vs GGG 2 was announced for mid September, clashing with wilder vs aj (eddie said he has no problem, but showtime cant have 2 ppv's in the same month.
it was public knowledge at this point that the fight would have to be moved to October...and since it's no longer early autumn, it will be cold (like right now, it is wet and cold here), they'll do it in a closed roof stadium in Cardiff, an 80000 capacity stadium.
Had wilder signed at that point, the fight was on for october in Cardiff. instead wilder waiting another 2 weeks before saying
"no date no venue" at which point the WBO(or was it wba? cant remember) got fed up and mandated the povetkin fight.
case closed.
Since povetkin vs aj didnt compete with canelo vs ggg on showtime, it meant they could have their fight in Wembley for the original date.
again months later wilder is like "dey seded dat dey cannot do da castle ova der but den de do da castle ova der...dey lyin"
what sort of bs is that man? seriously, maybe you guys are dumb, but we're not over here, we know the context, know what happened.
it's in that context aj responded to certain boxing fans (casuals) who dont know the contexts and were just demanding aj fight wilder like 'why dont you fight wilder?' like he was to blame for the fight not happening.
As for the whyte offer, by that point whyte was on the road to becoming mandatory for wilder already. so it cant come with AJ's name attached to it.
it is like wilder telling whyte to fight ortiz and then he will fight whyte..
wilder has no right to make such demands, it's not his call when its a mandatory challenger.Comment
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