what is wrong with new boxing fans these days... ?

[Mr. 29K]

I can’t stand these Triple Bum fans. They are a cancer to the sport. Can’t accept an L when it’s there. Face it, the bum lost to Canelo twice. I kinda don’t blame them, they have nobody to root for but Triple Bum and Borat.

NSB should ban any Triple Flop fan, they’re not real boxing aficionados like myself.

Thank God Canelo is boxing, or else this sport would be dead.

[john l]

they are extremely vocal, despite seeming TOTALLY disconnected from the sport

willingness to learn is one thing, but there really is no excuse for total ******ity

no need to name any particular poster, but take the following example...







this guy does not seem to understand how boxing works at all

ATG criteria is simple, there is ONLY one determining factor... resume!

the eye test... the multitude of mitigating factors, and obvious excuses... the timing... the era... the number of mid-level no-hopers you knocked out lol... NONE of that shlt matters...

... ATG criteria is simple...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how... ?

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS !!

FACT: Hagler beat multiple GREATS
FACT: Golovkin does not have a signature win

that discussion, and thread... are totally ridiculous... and are a prime example of what is wrong with boxing fans today

the guy is literally attempting to say that because HE cannot name a middleweight who could have beaten Golovkin head-to-head... that somehow erases the accomplishments of middleweights who beat GREAT fighters in their own era

that is... sad... ignorant... flawed... logic

despite from being flawed logic, how fkn ignorant... I can name plenty of middleweights that I would favor over Golovkin... the dude has never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson, really ?

and you bet I would favor Hagler and Monzon over Golovkin, no question... Hopkins, I do not think that Golovkin could have beaten Bernard Hopkins LMAO... and what about proven legends like Fullmer Zale Basilio LaMotta...

COULD GOLOVKIN HAVE BEATEN MUGABI ?

we don't know !

WOULD HE HAVE EVEN TAKEN THAT FIGHT... ?

we don't know !

and things like... he highlights two losses, back when Hagler was developing as a fighter... but does not mention Hagler knocking both of those guys out in rematches

he sounds like a typical new boxrec googling fanboy to me

why don't new fans take time to learn the sport... and at least develop some love and respect for the game... before throwing great fighters under a bus to somehow elevate their latest man-crush?

Well one thing I would add is BOTH Monroe and Watts were very good and avoided(by those outside of Philly). Also his fight with Watts is a well known robbery. Hagler has said same about 1st fight with Monroe, but from all accounts I have seen Monroe won a close one. Hagler was supposed to be sick for that fight(not sure, maybe just excuse)but within a year he KOed him twice and also got a KO with Watts in rematch like you pointed out. His draw with SR Seales was also a BS hometown dec and he KOed him in 1 rd in 3rd fight(Hagler had won 1st fight by dec). So even with his crazy level of comp before and after he won title his record should have been like 65-1 with 50+ KOs before SRL fight with ONLY loss being avenged twice by KO. Also one thing I would like to point out is, he never had to leave 160 and is a GREAT example of holding down a division and taking on all that come with ALL different styles is ALOT of the times MUCH more impressive then jumping div and cherry picking styles.

[aboutfkntime]

How is resume in ATG anything but a more convoluted form of triangle theory?

ATG = how high was the mountain that you climbed

FACT: Hagler climbed those ATG mountains
FACT: Golovkin did not

the current world high-jump record-holder actually jumped that height... he is not regarded as the best because his fans sat around insisting he could do it... he actually did it, the record is a testament to his success

same with track... same with everything else... and same with boxing

it is really simple... a great fighter must have great wins, not fans who make great promises, and fans who insist that they can see great things

ATG = " did "... not... " could have done, imho "

" could have done, imho " = P4P, not ATG... which is why P4P is highly over-rated

[aboutfkntime]

Isn't it ironic that the guy whining about modern boxing fans is one of the guys who can't have a discussion about anyone over fighters he doesn't like without insulting that fighter or that other person.

I am one of the biggest GGG fans in the world and on this site. But he acts like I am a nuthugger even though I've said more than once that I thought GGG lost the rematch with Canelo and repeatedly crapped all over the Rolls fight when it was announced.

you already PROVED that you are just an ignorant fanboy nuthugger

remember... ?

yankees7448:

when Golovkin said " anyone from 154-168 ".....

..... he meant, AT 160

seriously dude... that was a thoughtless... lame... cringe-worthy... excuse... to justify why a grown man failed to live up to his own hype

there is only one reason why someone would make a shocking excuse like that

you guys need to slow down and think before you blurt out silly excuses

did it really never occur to you, before you blurted out that ******ity... that a middleweight who drains guys down from 168, and pulls up little guys from 154... is distinctly average and has nothing to brag about?

is... that... REALLY... what... Golovkin... meant... ?

[Richard G]

Well said. Green K.

Thanks, the quickest way to run up reds is to harass the pac-tards, it's all personal with them LOL.

[Marchegiano]

ATG = how high was the mountain that you climbed

FACT: Hagler climbed those ATG mountains
FACT: Golovkin did not

the current world high-jump record-holder actually jumped that height... he is not regarded as the best because his fans sat around insisting he could do it... he actually did it, the record is a testament to his success

same with track... same with everything else... and same with boxing

it is really simple... a great fighter must have great wins, not fans who make great promises, and fans who insist that they can see great things

ATG = " did "... not... " could have done, imho "

" could have done, imho " = P4P, not ATG... which is why P4P is highly over-rated

I'm just curious bud, I don't have an angle. I'm not busting yer chops I'm picking your mind.

Wlad's the longest reigning HW champion of all time, but, has a **** resume. How do you handle a character like that? Does he not own an ATG record while having a pretty bad fighting record?

The thing about other sports' all time records is interesting. You know Fitzsimmons retired like 28 men, he has the all time knock you out of the sport record. His resume is so-so. Good wins, good losses, and also plenty of wtf's.

Marciano actually holds the record for the hardest punch at 925 ft-lbs. People argue all the time about who hits hardest, but, out of scientifically recorded punches Marciano's is still the most powerful.

Things like that I personally find very interesting. However, a record like that, like most retirements, isn't what you mean by resume. You mean names on a record. Which isn't really as parallel to a long jump record as you've portrayed it to be. A record like Marciano's punch or Wlad's longevity is much more parallel to record like jumped highest, ran fastest, scored most, etc.

Think about this, RJJ has a pretty decent resume, but, he also has something no other boxer in the history of boxing, from ancient sparta to today, has ever done. Everyone compares Roy's run at HW to Bob's but Roy actually had to make weight whereas ever MW before him, including Fitzs, did not. Roy is the only man in the history of boxing to not be a 200+, become a 200+, and still win a title. To me, personally, that's more impactful than his wins even though he has wins over men who are ATGs themselves.

Melankomas was never pointed against. I mean no one landed a single punch on him, ever.

Anyway, interesting perspective. It still seem a bit like triangle theory to me, but, to each their own. I'm not going to tell you who to be impressed by.

[Real King Kong]

Just for a moment I thought the TS was talking about something that wasn't Golovkin.

Lol...I knew it was gonna be about ggg in some way. Sure enough, another long winded rant whining about ggg/his fans.

[soul_survivor]

they are extremely vocal, despite seeming TOTALLY disconnected from the sport

willingness to learn is one thing, but there really is no excuse for total ******ity

no need to name any particular poster, but take the following example...







this guy does not seem to understand how boxing works at all

ATG criteria is simple, there is ONLY one determining factor... resume!

the eye test... the multitude of mitigating factors, and obvious excuses... the timing... the era... the number of mid-level no-hopers you knocked out lol... NONE of that shlt matters...

... ATG criteria is simple...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how... ?

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS !!

FACT: Hagler beat multiple GREATS
FACT: Golovkin does not have a signature win

that discussion, and thread... are totally ridiculous... and are a prime example of what is wrong with boxing fans today

the guy is literally attempting to say that because HE cannot name a middleweight who could have beaten Golovkin head-to-head... that somehow erases the accomplishments of middleweights who beat GREAT fighters in their own era

that is... sad... ignorant... flawed... logic

despite from being flawed logic, how fkn ignorant... I can name plenty of middleweights that I would favor over Golovkin... the dude has never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson, really ?

and you bet I would favor Hagler and Monzon over Golovkin, no question... Hopkins, I do not think that Golovkin could have beaten Bernard Hopkins LMAO... and what about proven legends like Fullmer Zale Basilio LaMotta...

COULD GOLOVKIN HAVE BEATEN MUGABI ?

we don't know !

WOULD HE HAVE EVEN TAKEN THAT FIGHT... ?

we don't know !

and things like... he highlights two losses, back when Hagler was developing as a fighter... but does not mention Hagler knocking both of those guys out in rematches

he sounds like a typical new boxrec googling fanboy to me

why don't new fans take time to learn the sport... and at least develop some love and respect for the game... before throwing great fighters under a bus to somehow elevate their latest man-crush?

Man, GGG got you down BAD!

Btw, I assume you do not think Wlad is a great heavyweight then?

[R-Hand Southpaw]

you already PROVED that you are just an ignorant fanboy nuthugger

remember... ?





seriously dude... that was a thoughtless... lame... cringe-worthy... excuse... to justify why a grown man failed to live up to his own hype

there is only one reason why someone would make a shocking excuse like that

you guys need to slow down and think before you blurt out silly excuses

did it really never occur to you, before you blurted out that ******ity... that a middleweight who drains guys down from 168, and pulls up little guys from 154... is distinctly average and has nothing to brag about?

is... that... REALLY... what... Golovkin... meant... ?

I like you have time to reply to everyone but me.

Speaks volumes LMFAO

You're too funny old man

[TonyGe]

Hagler is in the HOF that is never going to change. He's an ATG that not going to change. . Comparing another middleweight to him is not a sin. This type of comparison has been going on in every sport forever.