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they are extremely vocal, despite seeming TOTALLY disconnected from the sport
willingness to learn is one thing, but there really is no excuse for total ******ity
no need to name any particular poster, but take the following example...
this guy does not seem to understand how boxing works at all
ATG criteria is simple, there is ONLY one determining factor... resume!
the eye test... the multitude of mitigating factors, and obvious excuses... the timing... the era... the number of mid-level no-hopers you knocked out lol... NONE of that shlt matters...
... ATG criteria is simple...
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how... ?
NOTHING ELSE MATTERS !!
FACT: Hagler beat multiple GREATS
FACT: Golovkin does not have a signature win
that discussion, and thread... are totally ridiculous... and are a prime example of what is wrong with boxing fans today
the guy is literally attempting to say that because HE cannot name a middleweight who could have beaten Golovkin head-to-head... that somehow erases the accomplishments of middleweights who beat GREAT fighters in their own era
that is... sad... ignorant... flawed... logic
despite from being flawed logic, how fkn ignorant... I can name plenty of middleweights that I would favor over Golovkin... the dude has never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson, really ?
and you bet I would favor Hagler and Monzon over Golovkin, no question... Hopkins, I do not think that Golovkin could have beaten Bernard Hopkins LMAO... and what about proven legends like Fullmer Zale Basilio LaMotta...
COULD GOLOVKIN HAVE BEATEN MUGABI ?
we don't know !
WOULD HE HAVE EVEN TAKEN THAT FIGHT... ?
we don't know !
and things like... he highlights two losses, back when Hagler was developing as a fighter... but does not mention Hagler knocking both of those guys out in rematches
he sounds like a typical new boxrec googling fanboy to me
why don't new fans take time to learn the sport... and at least develop some love and respect for the game... before throwing great fighters under a bus to somehow elevate their latest man-crush?
willingness to learn is one thing, but there really is no excuse for total ******ity
no need to name any particular poster, but take the following example...
Serious question for those who don't like GGG/his resume
I think I've asked a variation of this question before...but not sure if I asked this directly:
If GGG gets no credit for beating (impressively I might add) guys like Rosado, Proksa, Macklin etc...about 12-15 of those guys I think...
Why does Hagler, who many consider the GOAT at MW, get a pass for losing to guys like that in WM Sr and Watts?
Just seems like two different grading systems to me...and since I know it is coming...I would add that yes Hagler's high of KOing Hearns in that war was better than any win GGG has imo, even if one (as I do) considered GGG the better man vs Nelo in both fights.
But even then Hagler would just have 1 'great' win officially if GGG has none...(as great as Duran was, he was the much smaller man there imo, and Hagler by all accounts basically fought him to a draw)...Hagler also got schooled by the other ATG that he fought, who was 3 years inactive and coming up 2 weight classes...so that is a pretty bad loss imo, based on his performance/all of that....his next best win is a good one imo over Mugabi, but Mugabi himself had 0 good wins in his career.
I honestly just don't see the argument that GGG isn't up there with the ATGs at MW...if someone can list 5 or so other MWs all-time I would be open to changing my opinion...but I have seen film on Monzon for one and would have to give a hard pass on that one.
I think GGG is probably done, his fight vs SD was the first time I saw him be the worse man in a fight (though I had him getting 6 rounds and the official 'W' but feel he kind of lucked into it)...Ouma was his 2nd toughest fight (before the KO) imo btw, not DJ or Nelo...but yeah after SD I don't know what all he has left.
In his prime he still had some flaws, but all fighters do, even the greats...just don't really see the other guys at MW all-time who I would pick above him...I have always thought him vs McClellan would have been a great fight, even though the G-Man wasn't at MW very long...but based on accolades or ability I just don't see a lot of guys all-time I would favor over a prime GGG.
I think I've asked a variation of this question before...but not sure if I asked this directly:
If GGG gets no credit for beating (impressively I might add) guys like Rosado, Proksa, Macklin etc...about 12-15 of those guys I think...
Why does Hagler, who many consider the GOAT at MW, get a pass for losing to guys like that in WM Sr and Watts?
Just seems like two different grading systems to me...and since I know it is coming...I would add that yes Hagler's high of KOing Hearns in that war was better than any win GGG has imo, even if one (as I do) considered GGG the better man vs Nelo in both fights.
But even then Hagler would just have 1 'great' win officially if GGG has none...(as great as Duran was, he was the much smaller man there imo, and Hagler by all accounts basically fought him to a draw)...Hagler also got schooled by the other ATG that he fought, who was 3 years inactive and coming up 2 weight classes...so that is a pretty bad loss imo, based on his performance/all of that....his next best win is a good one imo over Mugabi, but Mugabi himself had 0 good wins in his career.
I honestly just don't see the argument that GGG isn't up there with the ATGs at MW...if someone can list 5 or so other MWs all-time I would be open to changing my opinion...but I have seen film on Monzon for one and would have to give a hard pass on that one.
I think GGG is probably done, his fight vs SD was the first time I saw him be the worse man in a fight (though I had him getting 6 rounds and the official 'W' but feel he kind of lucked into it)...Ouma was his 2nd toughest fight (before the KO) imo btw, not DJ or Nelo...but yeah after SD I don't know what all he has left.
In his prime he still had some flaws, but all fighters do, even the greats...just don't really see the other guys at MW all-time who I would pick above him...I have always thought him vs McClellan would have been a great fight, even though the G-Man wasn't at MW very long...but based on accolades or ability I just don't see a lot of guys all-time I would favor over a prime GGG.
this guy does not seem to understand how boxing works at all
ATG criteria is simple, there is ONLY one determining factor... resume!
the eye test... the multitude of mitigating factors, and obvious excuses... the timing... the era... the number of mid-level no-hopers you knocked out lol... NONE of that shlt matters...
... ATG criteria is simple...
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how... ?
NOTHING ELSE MATTERS !!
FACT: Hagler beat multiple GREATS
FACT: Golovkin does not have a signature win
that discussion, and thread... are totally ridiculous... and are a prime example of what is wrong with boxing fans today
the guy is literally attempting to say that because HE cannot name a middleweight who could have beaten Golovkin head-to-head... that somehow erases the accomplishments of middleweights who beat GREAT fighters in their own era
that is... sad... ignorant... flawed... logic
despite from being flawed logic, how fkn ignorant... I can name plenty of middleweights that I would favor over Golovkin... the dude has never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson, really ?
and you bet I would favor Hagler and Monzon over Golovkin, no question... Hopkins, I do not think that Golovkin could have beaten Bernard Hopkins LMAO... and what about proven legends like Fullmer Zale Basilio LaMotta...
COULD GOLOVKIN HAVE BEATEN MUGABI ?
we don't know !
WOULD HE HAVE EVEN TAKEN THAT FIGHT... ?
we don't know !
and things like... he highlights two losses, back when Hagler was developing as a fighter... but does not mention Hagler knocking both of those guys out in rematches
he sounds like a typical new boxrec googling fanboy to me
why don't new fans take time to learn the sport... and at least develop some love and respect for the game... before throwing great fighters under a bus to somehow elevate their latest man-crush?
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