Have Canelo and GGG beaten any decent top boxer convincingly?

[dukesville]

I'd say, probably not. Golovkin over Jacobs felt like a 115-112 type fight. Canelo was about 115-113 or 114-114 with Jacobs. Golovkin-Deryevchenko was about a one point either way type fight. Canelo vs. Lara felt like 115-113 Lara clearly. Against each other fight I was probably the closest with Golovkin winning probably 116-112, the re-match being a round closer. Most would say Golovkin isn't "top class" either. Trout? A top fighter? Not sure, and that was very close. A number of folks felt Trout edged it and certainly was hindered by the terrible open scoring which forced him to fight a different fight. Brook? Not as a middleweight, really.

Both are good boxers but not as good as they are supposed to be or as good as their fanboys want them to be. Think about it. Golovkin is supposed to be terrible. Just really, really bad, yet Canelo's best "win" is a debatable decision in which the majority felt he lost and that came after a clear loss in a gift "draw" during a time he was caught on PED's and GGG was clearly slipping. So, if GGG is terrible then Jacobs is even worse, so we are left with Lara? His resume is worse than Golovkin's. This is the conundrum these Canelo fans/Mayweather fans/Golovkin haters/Eastern Euro haters put themselves in. They are blown away by Canelo's "resume" based on some iffy decisions over this terrible fighter and Lara. His skills aren't as spellbinding as they say either otherwise he'd wash fighters of that caliber.

This board has Canelo a top 10/20 ATG, greater already than Robinson, Duran, Pacquaio I've already seen so why is he officially one round away from losing to a bum like GGG and then in his "signature win" one round away from another official draw and the same with Jacobs who obviously can't be any good. Golovkin at best is a top 25-30 all-time middleweight not the second coming of Hagler or Monzon his fans wanted to believe.

That "conundrum " you described could be spun around to describe ggg fanboys as well. Notice I said fanboys not fans. If acording to you canelo only gets gifts and has a difficult time with top comp what does that say about ggg who has a draw and a loss to canelo? You merge canelo/Mayeather fans as ggg/Easter European haters...well is it accurate to say ggg/Eastern European fans will get behind anyone not Hispanic or black? The fact is fanboys/cheerleaders are not really fight fans and they are easy to spot.

[-Hyperion-]

Nope...GGG is slow as **** and too cautious to abandon his jab when the opponent has fire power.
Canelo is too reactive and too scared of getting hit to put anything on the line beyond the minimum...used to have bad stamina too but has gotten better conditioning. Now he is too short to fight anyone threatening, he will just fight mediocre belt holders, people declining or good stylistical match ups to eek out another prepaid decision.