Comments Thread For: Hopkins, Marquez Among Loaded First-Time Hall of Fame Ballot Entries

[JLC]

Hatton shouldn't be given a shout, Froch would be much more deserving.
Hatton's ony big win was Tyszu in his final fight.
Hatton should have lost to Collazo, beat a shot Castillo, Urango, Malignaggi who'd been beaten by Cotto.
Hatton didn't really have any big US wins.

Froch beat Taylor in the US, Johnson, Dirrell, Bute, Kessler, Pascal, Abraham and Groves twice. His resume is far better than Hatton's.

I'm not saying Froch should definitely be in, but I could see why he would go in. Not Hatton though.

Trinidad was schooled by Hopkins and Wright, and should have really lost to De la Hoya, but he got in.

I agree that his resume is better than Hatton's. Hatton's high marks are his popularity, and beating a sure fire HOFer in Tszyu, but overall, Froch had a MUCH better resume.

I just don't think either one of their resumes are good enough for the hall. But if it is the hall of FAME and you're letting 2nd tier guys like this in, at least make sure they are very very famous. Internationally.

Hopkins, JMM, Mosley. What do they all have in common? They actually BEAT other hall of famers. Much respect to Abraham, and Pascal, but I can't say for sure Froch did the same. And the Kessler he beat was wayyy past it.

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Froch is 1st ballot imo.

[buddyr]

That's easy. Only 3 of them are HOF worthy. Froch, Hopkins and Marquez. I don't include drug cheats like Mosley.

What about Holyfield?

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We all know Mosley is going in first ballet.

That just makes a mockery of the hall if he's allowed in. Drug cheats should never be celebrated.

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Bradley didn’t even have a large American or African American following lol. Pointless / racist reply back.

What has that got to do with my comment to J.Razor? he's Black and American. He's also one of the most biased and racially motivated posters on the site. Are you telling me you haven't read some of the posts this moron has made? It's non stop and clear where he stands.

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I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve said here. Lol.

Taylor was done. He had just got destroyed by Pavlik twice at his own prime weight and was forced to move up. And even then Froch BARELY squeaked by him.

Johnson was 100 years old. And done. Please don’t try and polish up that victory. A win over Johnson does not make you a HOFer

Kessler was done. He didn’t look like he had any punch resistance in the fight with Froch. Get real dude.

Tommy fu**ing Hearns won legit titles at 147,154,160,168, and 175 lbs. how dare you bring him into this conversation to make a case for Carl Froch. I’m disgusted, and you should apologize to the Hearns family.

How the hell can Froch “offer” Ward a rematch, when Froch LOST THE FIRST FIGHT?!?! Not only did he clearly lose, but he lost to a one handed Andre Ward ?

Andre Ward won the super 6. Lucian Bute did not compete in the super 6. Ward is not a ducker. Please look at his career before spewing nonsense.

How do you move a fighter ahead of the fighter who handily beat him, just because the losing fighter fought someone else and won ?

I agree that Lucian Bute was a great win. But beating Lucian Bute does not make you a HOFer. And beating him doesn’t erase the fact that you lost to the guy that swept the super 6. Beat Kessler (who Froch initially lost to) and beat Froch himself. You don’t pass up that guy after winning 1 fight after that. GTFOH !


Like I said, Bradley and Khan were the top 2 fighters at the weight. And Khan took at least 1 L before Bradley left the division. And the loss he took was to Peterson, who Bradley clearly beat years prior.

Plus Bradley had multiple title reigns at 147. Bradley has a much better career, and resume than Carl Froch, and Bradley isn’t even a LOCK for the Hall.

Carl Froch is a lock for the BBBofC Hall of Fame. I would applaud his entrance. But sorry, a SINGLE division champion who has never been top in his division does not belong.

Taylor was destroyed twice at his prime weight and forced to move up, even though the second fight was at SuperMiddle, and Taylor lost on points? Losing on points does not mean you were destroyed. And even if he was for arguments sake, that doesn't mean he was done. Sorry, but you're wrong. Clearly. You can't even get the second fight weight right.

I said it was Johnsons last hurrah. Which means his last fight were he had something left. His performance showed he had something left. Shot fighters get beat like he did with Groves in one sided fashion. His fight with Froch wasn't one sided. It was tough. So no, you're wrong again.

Kessler looked like he didn't have any punch resistance in the Froch rematch, even though he never went down, nor get knocked out, after taking plenty of big shots from Froch in a war? You're really going with these comments? Sorry, but you've proven the worth of your opinions. They're straight laughable.

The argument is about being the number 1 at the weight class, which you said wasn't the case with Froch. I gave you a fighter that wasn't the number 1 in his weight class to prove your argument wrong. But now your argument is about winning "Legit" titles? So Froch didn't win legit titles or something? Moving the goal posts only to lose that argument too isn't the brightest move.

You can make an offer to a fighter that has beaten you if you're the money man of the division. And especially when he's beaten a guy Ward should have been DQ'd against with the other being a fighter Ward ducked. But Ward didn't like to travel which was proven in the Super Six. He wouldn't have his corrupt ref and judges that way.

Bute was going to be brought in after Taylor left after getting knocked out by Abraham. But he needed everyone to agree. Everyone did agree other than one fighter. That was Andre Ward. He complained that he'd leave if Bute was allowed to compete. The Super Six program shows this for all to see if you want to have your memory refreshed. But it went further. Ward kept on saying that the winner had to fight Bute to prove themselves the best after the tournament was finished. Well, Bute came his way after it was all said and done only for Ward to b1tch out once more and scream that he had to beat someone to get a fight with him. Ward put Froch forward. Bute and Froch then got a two fight contract signed only for Ward to cry "Why is he fighting Froch when i'm here" even though Bute was fighting Froch because Ward refused to do so unless he fought him. But Ward was a delusional and entitled cheating coward who displayed these kind of behaviours to show what a joke he really was. So look at the facts before spewing nonsense that has no relation to the truth.

Bute was listed with all rankings as the number 1 at the weight. Then add in the fact that Ward didn't beat Kessler in a legitimate way so he ranked above him too. Froch beat both, so he then goes ahead of Ward. Froch offered Ward the chance to get it back, but he made his usual excuses.

Froch doesn't make the hall with me based on the Johnson and Bute wins alone. It's his whole resume that does.

Froch didn't pass Ward after 1 win. He did it after two wins over Bute and Kessler to unify the division.

Wrong again. Bradley had signed up with Top Rank on Oct 6th 2011 after refusing to fight Khan. His excuse was "But what if I lose" Look it up. He then started his in-house bullshlt starting with a shot Casamayor. Khan had no choice but to fight others after Bradley had mouthed off before he had fought Maidana and telling him what he was going to do to him. Only to then do a full 360 after the fight and claiming "He's much better than I thought" and run away from him with a pitiful excuse.

Bradley had multiple title reigns at 147? Do you not think you've embarrassed yourself enough with not knowing what you're talking about as well as having horrible opinions that make no sense? Bradley didn't even beat Manny in any of their 3 fights. So he wasn't a champ there. He then fights a shot Rios for the title later on. That means nothing. So when did he prove himself a legit champ at the weight against a fighter who wasn't dead? And are you going to give him credit for the Marquez win even though the likes of Kessler and Taylor having a shlt ton more than he had left. Hell, even Johnson had more left. Anyone worth a shlt would have beaten that version of Marquez. Manny beat him senseless before getting caught with a lucky shot. The other fights were against shot fighters and bums. Why else do you think Marquez hadn't had a good win other than the Manny fluke since 2010 over Diaz? And even that isn't saying much considering Malignaggi beat Diaz twice. In fact, give me the name of the fighter that had something left and proved something that Marquez beat before this point?

Bradley has beaten...

Marquez
Alexander
Witter
Holt
Peterson (Off the drugs. Peterson wasn't shlt when not taking anything)
Provodnikov

And you think it's a better resume than Froch with...

Taylor
Pascal
Abraham
Dirrell
Johnson
Bute
Kessler
Groves x2

Not even close. That's crazy talk.

Monzon and the likes of Hagler were one weight champs. Are you going to say they aren't worthy either?

Sorry, but this whole post is one of the worst I've ever seen. And that's saying something on this site.

[JLC]

Taylor was destroyed twice at his prime weight and forced to move up, even though the second fight was at SuperMiddle, and Taylor lost on points? Losing on points does not mean you were destroyed. And even if he was for arguments sake, that doesn't mean he was done. Sorry, but you're wrong. Clearly. You can't even get the second fight weight right.

I said it was Johnsons last hurrah. Which means his last fight were he had something left. His performance showed he had something left. Shot fighters get beat like he did with Groves in one sided fashion. His fight with Froch wasn't one sided. It was tough. So no, you're wrong again.

Kessler looked like he didn't have any punch resistance in the Froch rematch, even though he never went down, nor get knocked out, after taking plenty of big shots from Froch in a war? You're really going with these comments? Sorry, but you've proven the worth of your opinions. They're straight laughable.

The argument is about being the number 1 at the weight class, which you said wasn't the case with Froch. I gave you a fighter that wasn't the number 1 in his weight class to prove your argument wrong. But now your argument is about winning "Legit" titles? So Froch didn't win legit titles or something? Moving the goal posts only to lose that argument too isn't the brightest move.

You can make an offer to a fighter that has beaten you if you're the money man of the division. And especially when he's beaten a guy Ward should have been DQ'd against with the other being a fighter Ward ducked. But Ward didn't like to travel which was proven in the Super Six. He wouldn't have his corrupt ref and judges that way.

Bute was going to be brought in after Taylor left after getting knocked out by Abraham. But he needed everyone to agree. Everyone did agree other than one fighter. That was Andre Ward. He complained that he'd leave if Bute was allowed to compete. The Super Six program shows this for all to see if you want to have your memory refreshed. But it went further. Ward kept on saying that the winner had to fight Bute to prove themselves the best after the tournament was finished. Well, Bute came his way after it was all said and done only for Ward to b1tch out once more and scream that he had to beat someone to get a fight with him. Ward put Froch forward. Bute and Froch then got a two fight contract signed only for Ward to cry "Why is he fighting Froch when i'm here" even though Bute was fighting Froch because Ward refused to do so unless he fought him. But Ward was a delusional and entitled cheating coward who displayed these kind of behaviours to show what a joke he really was. So look at the facts before spewing nonsense that has no relation to the truth.

Bute was listed with all rankings as the number 1 at the weight. Then add in the fact that Ward didn't beat Kessler in a legitimate way so he ranked above him too. Froch beat both, so he then goes ahead of Ward. Froch offered Ward the chance to get it back, but he made his usual excuses.

Froch doesn't make the hall with me based on the Johnson and Bute wins alone. It's his whole resume that does.

Froch didn't pass Ward after 1 win. He did it after two wins over Bute and Kessler to unify the division.

Wrong again. Bradley had signed up with Top Rank on Oct 6th 2011 after refusing to fight Khan. His excuse was "But what if I lose" Look it up. He then started his in-house bullshlt starting with a shot Casamayor. Khan had no choice but to fight others after Bradley had mouthed off before he had fought Maidana and telling him what he was going to do to him. Only to then do a full 360 after the fight and claiming "He's much better than I thought" and run away from him with a pitiful excuse.

Bradley had multiple title reigns at 147? Do you not think you've embarrassed yourself enough with not knowing what you're talking about as well as having horrible opinions that make no sense? Bradley didn't even beat Manny in any of their 3 fights. So he wasn't a champ there. He then fights a shot Rios for the title later on. That means nothing. So when did he prove himself a legit champ at the weight against a fighter who wasn't dead? And are you going to give him credit for the Marquez win even though the likes of Kessler and Taylor having a shlt ton more than he had left. Hell, even Johnson had more left. Anyone worth a shlt would have beaten that version of Marquez. Manny beat him senseless before getting caught with a lucky shot. The other fights were against shot fighters and bums. Why else do you think Marquez hadn't had a good win other than the Manny fluke since 2010 over Diaz? And even that isn't saying much considering Malignaggi beat Diaz twice. In fact, give me the name of the fighter that had something left and proved something that Marquez beat before this point?

Bradley has beaten...

Marquez
Alexander
Witter
Holt
Peterson (Off the drugs. Peterson wasn't shlt when not taking anything)
Provodnikov

And you think it's a better resume than Froch with...

Taylor
Pascal
Abraham
Dirrell
Johnson
Bute
Kessler
Groves x2

Not even close. That's crazy talk.

Monzon and the likes of Hagler were one weight champs. Are you going to say they aren't worthy either?

Sorry, but this whole post is one of the worst I've ever seen. And that's saying something on this site.

Let’s get one thing clear.... what I’ve said in all posts is that you either need to be the BEST in your division at a given point (really the best, not the beat in one persons opinion), or you need to hold titles in multiple divisions.

Simply holding a belt in one weight while always having a fighter ahead of you your whole career is not enough to be honored as a boxing God.

You’re the first person I’ve ever heard of that says Froch was better than Ward at any given point at 168. Ward was the ring mag champ at the weight. Before that Kessler he was simply number 1 at the weight. Before that Kessler was number 1 at the weight. Before that Calzaghe was champ at the weight. Your making BS up to fit your argument and that doesn’t fly with me.

Monzon and Hagler were 1 weight champs but were UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED AS THE BEST IN THEIR DIVISIONS. Something else that Carl Froch NEVER accomplished in his entire career at 168. You can spew how great this wins are all you want. FACT of the matter is, he was never better than second best. Again, FACTS. If I’m wrong please show me where ring, boxingrec ratings, espn, or any legitimate publication ever had Carl Froch rated as number 1 at 168 ? I’ll wait.

Froch had solid wins. Abraham, after Dirrell out boxed him.

Taylor, after pavlik demolished him. Taylor was NOTHING after Pavlik. This is clear. He was given a belt against a trash fighter in Sam Soliman. This was his only accomplishment after Pavlik. And FROCH ALMOST LOST TO THIS VERSION OF JT!!! He was 12 seconds away from losing to a shot fighter !

Glenn Johnson at 53 years old.

Kessler after Kess already beat him earlier. (You should go watch the fight. Every time Froch hit Kessler his legs buckled. Announcers actually mentioned that during the fight as well. He looked bad and was old.)

Groves

Dirrell

Pascal

Bute

And whoever I missed.

Regardless, all these wins did for him was get him to second best, officially, at his one and only weight. So he doesn’t deserve to get in.

Bradley beat Marquez clearly. A sure fire hall of famer. That win alone is better than anything Froch has ever done. He was also a two weight champ and best at 140.


Anyway, shouts out to you for your Froch support. I respect the fact that you have an opinion. Even if it’s not based on reality.

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What about Holyfield?

That dude shouldn't be in the hall either. We know by the evidence that he's been juicing since the move up to Heavyweight.

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Let’s get one thing clear.... what I’ve said in all posts is that you either need to be the BEST in your division at a given point (really the best, not the beat in one persons opinion), or you need to hold titles in multiple divisions.

Simply holding a belt in one weight while always having a fighter ahead of you your whole career is not enough to be honored as a boxing God.

You’re the first person I’ve ever heard of that says Froch was better than Ward at any given point at 168. Ward was the ring mag champ at the weight. Before that Kessler he was simply number 1 at the weight. Before that Kessler was number 1 at the weight. Before that Calzaghe was champ at the weight. Your making BS up to fit your argument and that doesn’t fly with me.

Monzon and Hagler were 1 weight champs but were UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED AS THE BEST IN THEIR DIVISIONS. Something else that Carl Froch NEVER accomplished in his entire career at 168. You can spew how great this wins are all you want. FACT of the matter is, he was never better than second best. Again, FACTS. If I’m wrong please show me where ring, boxingrec ratings, espn, or any legitimate publication ever had Carl Froch rated as number 1 at 168 ? I’ll wait.

Froch had solid wins. Abraham, after Dirrell out boxed him.

Taylor, after pavlik demolished him. Taylor was NOTHING after Pavlik. This is clear. He was given a belt against a trash fighter in Sam Soliman. This was his only accomplishment after Pavlik. And FROCH ALMOST LOST TO THIS VERSION OF JT!!! He was 12 seconds away from losing to a shot fighter !

Glenn Johnson at 53 years old.

Kessler after Kess already beat him earlier. (You should go watch the fight. Every time Froch hit Kessler his legs buckled. Announcers actually mentioned that during the fight as well. He looked bad and was old.)

Groves

Dirrell

Pascal

Bute

And whoever I missed.

Regardless, all these wins did for him was get him to second best, officially, at his one and only weight. So he doesn’t deserve to get in.

Bradley beat Marquez clearly. A sure fire hall of famer. That win alone is better than anything Froch has ever done. He was also a two weight champ and best at 140.


Anyway, shouts out to you for your Froch support. I respect the fact that you have an opinion. Even if it’s not based on reality.

Yeah, lets get one thing clear.... You claim Bradley as having abetter resume than Froch which is sheer bullshlt of the highest order. Bradley wasn't the best in either of the two divisions he fought at. His title at Welter meant nothing as it was won against a shot to pieces Rios. His "Win" over Manny doesn't stand. So tell me, where did Bradly win a legit title at the weight and against whom? Bradley's wins over two divisions doesn't come close to the wins for Froch in just the one. Not even close. And Khan was the number 1 at 140. Bradley was the number 2.

You claimed Kessler was done based on his punch resistance being gone even though he took bombs for 12 rounds in a war and never went down. As I've said, that doesn't even make sense. In no normal persons world. You're watching a different fight if you think Kessler buckled after being hit with every shot. You'll feel it a few times throughout a fight like that due to Froch being a puncher and being at a high pace. That's just normal.

You also said Taylor was done because he never beat anyone after the Froch loss. But, being a hypocrite went on to claim Marquez as a legit win for Bradly even though he was much older than them and never had a win of merit over anyone after Bradley. In fact, Frazier never had a win of merit after the Foreman defeat, but do you not give credit to Ali for his two wins over him? Trinidad never had any credible wins after the Hopkins defeat. Liston never had any credible wins after the Ali defeats etc etc…

You claimed Hearns had won legit titles like Froch hadn't.

You claimed Bradley was the first to beat Alexander when everyone knows it was Kotelnik.

You claimed Froch lost to a one handed Ward, when it's clear throughout the fight that Ward used two hands. You also have difficulty in understanding how the money man of the division in Froch could offer Ward a rematch after picking up two titles against Kessler and Bute. Froch was offering more money than Ward had ever had. Plus, Ward should have travelled like he refused to do in the tournament like everyone else did. Rematches happen. The losing fighter from the first fight can very much win the rematch. History is littered with these facts. Froch should have been given the chance to redeem himself with tactics that work. Looking for the counter against a fighter with faster hands and feet was just ******. He needed to pressure from the start on the front foot. He got the first Kessler tactics wrong, but fixed them in the rematch. He would have done the same in the Ward rematch if he wasn't such a b1tch to refuse it.

You claimed Bute didn't enter the Super Six when he very much was offered the opportunity until Ward and his team refused him entry like everyone else had, otherwise he'd leave. Therefore, it's a fact Ward ducked him. Ward ducked him for a second time after the tournament finished as well.

You don't know that Bute was rated as the best at the weight until Froch beat him. Therefore, froch should have taken the top spot. Forget Ward beating him before that. Froch beat the fighter who every ranking had as it's top man. Then he beat Kessler. A fighter Ward should have been DQ'd against after cheating all night. So there's two fighters Ward didn't either fight, or beat in a legitimate manner.

You claimed Peterson beat Khan when it was a robbery on the cards with Peterson on drugs. Then you add in the commotion at ringside with the man in the hat. That fight was corrupt to high heaven. You didn't even know Bradley had ducked Khan with a ridiculous excuse nor sighed with Arum so Khan couldn't get his hands on him. You probably don't even know Khan punked Bradley at a fight in the US soon after Bradley ducked with Khan calling him a b1tch as he walked past only for Bradley to look up then put his head down and keep walking like a fool. You lack of knowledge is clear.

You claimed Taylor lost at his best weight twice to Pavlik even though the rematch took place at Supermiddle.

But you think these facts are not based in reality? These facts are based in the reality that normal people live in. Obviously not the "Reality" you have over there in the US. Clearly.

[JLC]

Yeah, lets get one thing clear.... You claim Bradley as having abetter resume than Froch which is sheer bullshlt of the highest order. Bradley wasn't the best in either of the two divisions he fought at. His title at Welter meant nothing as it was won against a shot to pieces Rios. His "Win" over Manny doesn't stand. So tell me, where did Bradly win a legit title at the weight and against whom? Bradley's wins over two divisions doesn't come close to the wins for Froch in just the one. Not even close. And Khan was the number 1 at 140. Bradley was the number 2.

Incorrect. He "won" the belt against his controversial fight with Pacquiao that everyone knows he lost. He defended it against Provodnikov and JMM before losing it to Pac in the rematch. Marquez, however, was coming off the biggest win of his career in the knockout of Manny. So there is your legit title and legit win right there. Bradley beat a SURE FIRE FIRST BALLOT HoFer coming DIRECTLY off the BIGGEST WIN OF HIS CAREER. Froch has ZERO wins against sure fire first ballot hall of famers. Zero. Now that that's settled... Again, Khan and Bradley were neck and neck, with Khan being number 1. Khan lost to Peterson. Bradley beat Peterson easily. Bradley was at one time the best fighter at 140 lbs.

You claimed Kessler was done based on his punch resistance being gone even though he took bombs for 12 rounds in a war and never went down. As I've said, that doesn't even make sense. In no normal persons world. You're watching a different fight if you think Kessler buckled after being hit with every shot. You'll feel it a few times throughout a fight like that due to Froch being a puncher and being at a high pace. That's just normal.

I respect your stance here. I disagree, but won't argue with it. I saw what I saw. You saw what you saw.

You also said Taylor was done because he never beat anyone after the Froch loss. But, being a hypocrite went on to claim Marquez as a legit win for Bradly even though he was much older than them and never had a win of merit over anyone after Bradley. In fact, Frazier never had a win of merit after the Foreman defeat, but do you not give credit to Ali for his two wins over him? Trinidad never had any credible wins after the Hopkins defeat. Liston never had any credible wins after the Ali defeats etc etc…

LOL. Big difference. Firstly, Taylor almost beat Froch. Second, Taylor was coming off of TWO LOSSES to Kelly Pavlik (Fight with an even more shot Jeff Lacy in between). But I will admit, after Froch beat Taylor, and Abraham beat Taylor, JT did have a lot more fights and went undefeated for the remainder of his career. He beat future Champ Truax, won a title vs Sam Soliman, so some credit is due there. Having said that, most of the entire planet felt Taylor was in no condition to fight. His mind had deteriorated to the point where he was shooting at his family members, and at kids parades, so despite those accomplishments, I am going to stick with my original opinion that the man was done. Froch did his part to finish the job for sure, so credit to him, but c'mon. You know he was damaged goods going into that fight.

JMM on the other hand had 1 more fight, albeit against a just as shot Mike Alvarado. Then Marquez retired. He still looked capable. No one was concerned for Marquez health. He just retired. Didnt look like ***** for the rest of his career or anything, he just called it a day. And now he is going to be inducted (first ballot) into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Well deserved to him.

You claimed Hearns had won legit titles like Froch hadn't.

You claimed Bradley was the first to beat Alexander when everyone knows it was Kotelnik.

Froch certainly won legit titles! Never said he didn't and if that is how it came off, then my apologies. He was a true champ

A close fight is a close fight. Many folks think Dirrell beat Froch. I don't see either of those fights as robberies. I do see Bradley v Pac I as a robbery though. I am an honest man, and I call it like I see it.

You claimed Froch lost to a one handed Ward, when it's clear throughout the fight that Ward used two hands.

Fine. He lost to a two-handed Ward. A difinitive loss. That's boxing. Fight wasnt close. Wasn't really all that competitive or compelling or entertaining, so my personal opinion? No need for a rematch. Also, my personal opinion, not sure what Ward could have experienced in that fight to make him "afraid" to rematch Froch. Like I said, it wasn't really that competitive. Sure Froch won rounds, but what pain was he inflicting on Ward? Remind me what real trouble he gave Andre ? I mean, Ward fought Kovalev twice. So to say he was scared of Froch, a guy he easily beat with one.. i mean.. two hands is kind of silly.

You claimed Bute didn't enter the Super Six when he very much was offered the opportunity until Ward and his team refused him entry like everyone else had, otherwise he'd leave. Therefore, it's a fact Ward ducked him. Ward ducked him for a second time after the tournament finished as well.

I think I remember this actually. When JT got ruled ineligible Bute was offered entry. I don't remember the contestants refusing him, but not saying it didn't happen. I just dont remember. And you are probably right, they didnt invite him to begin with, and for some reason put JT in. Not sure how that falls on Ward though. I mean, Kessler was clearly the favorite fighter coming in to the tourney. So if he was willing to mix with Mikkel, why not Bute? I dont buy Ward being scared, or having any say so of the initial contestants.

You don't know that Bute was rated as the best at the weight until Froch beat him. Therefore, froch should have taken the top spot. Forget Ward beating him before that. Froch beat the fighter who every ranking had as it's top man. Then he beat Kessler. A fighter Ward should have been DQ'd against after cheating all night. So there's two fighters Ward didn't either fight, or beat in a legitimate manner.

This is just an outright lie. Bute was never rated higher than Ward at any point after the Super 6's conclusion. Never. Ward was crowned Ring champ as well as WBC/ WBA when he beat Froch to end the tournament. He fought and beat Kessler, Froch, Abraham, and for grins Sakio Bika in that tournament. Literally ALL of the top fighters except Bute. WHO DID BUTE FIGHT TO EARN THE NUMBER 1 SPOT????? I have no idea who he even beat for his title in the first place, and he didnt make ANY meaningful defenses outside of Edison Miranda. And while were talking robberies, please lets not forget that Librado Andrade was ROBBED by the ref in his first fight with Bute. Get real man... Ward was Ring Champ at 168, and he won it by fighting Froch.

You claimed Peterson beat Khan when it was a robbery on the cards with Peterson on drugs. Then you add in the commotion at ringside with the man in the hat. That fight was corrupt to high heaven. You didn't even know Bradley had ducked Khan with a ridiculous excuse nor sighed with Arum so Khan couldn't get his hands on him. You probably don't even know Khan punked Bradley at a fight in the US soon after Bradley ducked with Khan calling him a b1tch as he walked past only for Bradley to look up then put his head down and keep walking like a fool. You lack of knowledge is clear.

He didnt call him a b****. He told him "grow some balls, bro". I watch boxing my friend. I am aware. Regardless, they didnt fight, and Khan got beat by Peterson, AND Garcia. He wasnt number one anymore, and thats that.

You claimed Taylor lost at his best weight twice to Pavlik even though the rematch took place at Supermiddle.

Again, you are right. My mistake. Still doesnt change the fact that he was shot, and people were legit concerned about his health and safety. But, my mistake.