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Yeah I'm sure historically there are some examples of it...especially if we include fights that have KOs or even KDs...but as far as 12 round decisions go I can't recall one that comes to mind.
I scored Lara 7-5 over Hurd but I again thought that fight was fairly close, as far as scoring punches go...I know some felt Hurd was landing more than Lara but I saw it pretty even iirc.
Never saw that fight with Hardy-Serrano...I am sure there are some out there where someone maybe got outworked bad early...and then took over the later rounds and took them all pretty cleanly but not by a huge punch margin.Comment
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I don't agree with compubox all the time...but that is more or less what I saw in that fight...GGG outlanding Canelo in almost every round, half the time by a clear margin, the other rounds getting barely outlanded/even or outlanding by a few.
Did you see relatively even output from both men in those 2 fights?Comment
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I cut the rest of the quote because it's got nothing to do with me or what I said.
You're just wrong bud:
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship
Defense
Hard Punches
Clean Punches
all equally scorable. You can be behind on punch count and ahead on defense and generalship and win a fight on points. Punch count alone is a really, really, bad way to judge a fight. I'm sure you think you've seen just a ton of robberies. Plenty of guys win with generalship and aggression, that's like a puncher's modus operandi.Comment
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Here you go bud.
for a serious explanation try getting the DVD "You Be The Judge!"Comment
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Lol man I'm sorry...really not trying to be rude...but to think you 'actively' score any of those other criteria is...well honestly it is kind of sad from someone who would claim to be a big-time boxing fan.
To even think about scoring anything other than punches landed and their effectiveness...honestly it is a bid sad that one would think that anything else gets actively scored in a fight.
But don't take it from me...take it from Steve Weisfeld, as far as what he says he, and every other judge he has even spoken with, looks for as far as scoring a fight:
https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight
"A lot of times fans hear that judges focus on four categories: clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defense and ring generalship," Weisfeld said. "But based upon my own experience, my conversations with other judges and seminars conducted by top judges, judges really focus on one category, and that's clean punches."
Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.
So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.
Sincerely trying to help ya out...but I could see sliding a round one way or the other if you had it tied, and you felt one guy was controlling the fight and pace...that is fair I think...but generally in a tight fight with close rounds I think best practice is generally splitting those close rounds.
But again the overwhelming thing all judges are looking for is who is landing more, and who is landing better, punches...nothing else really matters my friend.
I would hope you would tip the cap here and maybe admit defeat...but knowing this website I wouldn't be surprised to see ya double down
Hope ya don't though...have a good night.
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Lol man I'm sorry...really not trying to be rude...but to think you 'actively' score any of those other criteria is...well honestly it is kind of sad from someone who would claim to be a big-time boxing fan.
To even think about scoring anything other than punches landed and their effectiveness...honestly it is a bid sad that one would think that anything else gets actively scored in a fight.
But don't take it from me...take it from Steve Weisfeld, as far as what he says he, and every other judge he has even spoken with, looks for as far as scoring a fight:
https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight
"A lot of times fans hear that judges focus on four categories: clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defense and ring generalship," Weisfeld said. "But based upon my own experience, my conversations with other judges and seminars conducted by top judges, judges really focus on one category, and that's clean punches."
Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.
So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.
Sincerely trying to help ya out...but I could see sliding a round one way or the other if you had it tied, and you felt one guy was controlling the fight and pace...that is fair I think...but generally in a tight fight with close rounds I think best practice is generally splitting those close rounds.
But again the overwhelming thing all judges are looking for is who is landing more, and who is landing better, punches...nothing else really matters my friend.
I would hope you would tip the cap here and maybe admit defeat...but knowing this website I wouldn't be surprised to see ya double down Hope ya don't though...have a good night.
This article explains a bias in judging not the criteria.Comment
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compubox is not accurate. please stop using it. compubox is so bad it had floyd landing 11 power shots against pac in round 3. he landed zero clean power shots in that round.
its just people guessing. flat out. if the opponent blocked it or parried it thats a clean punch according to them. its bad. 
we should have known this because there was this poster named daggum on here who warned us about compubox all the way back during the calzaghe-hopkins wars.
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Also...for another example of why actively scoring defense, for example, is bad practice...who has better defense, a guy who avoids more punches, or a guy who neutralizes his opponent from even being able to attempt to score/throw punches.
Again, those other criteria matter, but only in as much as they allow you to score/land punches! That is all boxing is my friend...sincerely trying to help ya out.
To actively score the other criteria, other than who is landing more and better punches, I mean it is just silly imo to argue you actively score those...if you do, you can end up justifying some really really bad cards and decisions.
'yeah my guy won because he was controlling the fight (in your opinion) and had better defense (again subjective) and was able to neutralize the other guy's aggression (again subjective)'...you see what I mean?
All that matters is who is landing more and better punches...the other stuff matters, as far as it helps you to land punches...but again, to actively score things like defense is not the way to do it, and frankly it isn't boxing...I could feel the guy who doesn't allow his opponent to throw that often has better defense, and you could feel the guy who avoids a few more punches has better defense.
It is all about the number of punches landed, and their effectiveness...take it from all the judges who score fights my friend...very surprising again that anyone who purports to be a big boxing aficiando would really think those other criteria is actively scored...sad day for the site imo.
In any event, have a great night!Comment
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