Can anyone remember any fights where...

[Boxing_1013]

Tell me boxing genius. In your opinion, if boxer A) lands tens punches in a round on boxer B but no damage is done but boxer B) lands 5 effective and damaging punches on boxer A. Who wins the round?

I think 'damage' done can be a bit relative...99.9% of punches don't lead to any visible damage ya know...it is a bit subjective as far as how effective one views a punch.

As an example, some on here slight GGG's jab, but if it is snapping his opponent's head back, that would appear to be a damaging punch imo and a scoring punch...likewise Canelo landed some really good shots in some of the rounds where he got outlanded, and because he landed the best shot or shots, I think he won the round or at least made it a close 'pick em' round.

I see your point in your analogy though...it's just that rounds like that are few and far between ya know...but yes punch effectiveness is really just as important as punch count.

[icha]

Bro...you can't be serious lol...that is a top judge, explaining what he and other judges look for in judging fights...the other criteria other than who is landing more and better punches is just not actively scored, and should not be.

If you choose to say otherwise, oh well, that is unfortunate

how did that top judge scored canelo-ggg 2 ??

[Boxing_1013]

how did that top judge scored canelo-ggg 2 ??

Why do people think that is like a 'gotcha' moment when I mention that article?

I am just telling everyone how a top judge says he and every other judge scores a fight...that all they look at are punches landed and their effectiveness...I am honestly surprised anyone on this site would actively score anything else, on that note.

Obviously punches landed can be a bit subjective, and punch effectiveness even more so...so I could disagree somewhat with a 'good' judge from time to time...don't see how most fights could vary from a two round swing, say 7-5 either way...and usually I think a one round disparity is the only real acceptable difference between most cards...most fights have a clear winner and are not too difficult to score imo.

Also most importantly, and I shouldn't really have to say this, but many times judges don't actually score what goes on in the ring, and instead more or less have their cards filled out ahead of time...there are a lot of corrupt/bad cards, especially for the home fighters, and especially for the cash-kings in Vegas.

I don't really care at all what the judges say in many fights, when it seems obvious that they have an agenda...I just don't really see how anyone can score those 2 fights round by round and not score them quite clearly for GGG.

Just my 2 cents there...but again, informing someone of how every judge scores fights...is not co-signing the cards of that judge or any other, as there clearly is some level of corruption in the sport/judging.

[icha]

Why do people think that is like a 'gotcha' moment when I mention that article?

I am just telling everyone how a top judge says he and every other judge scores a fight...that all they look at are punches landed and their effectiveness...I am honestly surprised anyone on this site would actively score anything else, on that note.

Obviously punches landed can be a bit subjective, and punch effectiveness even more so...so I could disagree somewhat with a 'good' judge from time to time...don't see how most fights could vary from a two round swing, say 7-5 either way...and usually I think a one round disparity is the only real acceptable difference between most cards...most fights have a clear winner and are not too difficult to score imo.

Also most importantly, and I shouldn't really have to say this, but many times judges don't actually score what goes on in the ring, and instead more or less have their cards filled out ahead of time...there are a lot of corrupt/bad cards, especially for the home fighters, and especially for the cash-kings in Vegas.

I don't really care at all what the judges say in many fights, when it seems obvious that they have an agenda...I just don't really see how anyone can score those 2 fights round by round and not score them quite clearly for GGG.

Just my 2 cents there...but again, informing someone of how every judge scores fights...is not co-signing the cards of that judge or any other, as there clearly is some level of corruption in the sport/judging.

is clear you only put weight in his opinion when it suits your agenda... just like you do with compubox or other ****t...
sorry man but your opinion is biased AF...
by the way have you ever seen a judge making a note every time a fighter lands a jab? judges in pro boxing dont keep a count of punches landed, that is just delusional...

[Boxing_1013]

is clear you only put weight in his opinion when it suits your agenda... just like you do with compubox or other ****t...
sorry man but your opinion is biased AF...
by the way have you ever seen a judge making a note every time a fighter lands a jab? judges in pro boxing dont keep a count of punches landed, that is just delusional...

Bro...you have to keep some kind of running tally of who is winning the round as the round goes on lol...come on man...may not be counting every punch....but you are definitely counting the punches generally and scoring them in your head...there is no real other way to correctly score a round bro.

I try to keep it as real as I can man...we all have our biases but if I saw Canelo beat GGG 8-4 I would freely admit it...I would not give 2 sh.its about it to be honest...I didn't really care 1 bit who won either fight honestly, because while I like GGG I was just happy he was getting paid.

I just saw him win both...so I call it like I see it and I thought they were both pretty obvious man.

As far as agreeing with compubox or a judge's scorecard...it is the same thing for me...I just go by what I see and if I disagree with it I will say so.

I was probably 'rooting' for Loma in his Linares and Campbell fights...but I had Linares basically even before the stoppage and Campbell basically even before the last few rounds.

I promise you that when GGG-SD square off, and when Kov-Canelo square off, I will score the fights round by round, and without one care as to who I 'want' to win...I just don't really give a sh.it that much...if I see Canelo and SD win I will be sure to say it and to say the rounds they won as well.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

If I wanted to watch two never-was bums fight I would start an argument between Robbie Barrett and aboutfkntime

Nah but in all seriousness I haven't seen that fight...I will try and give it a watch sometime...I wonder if I would end up having the punch stats as wide as I saw them on compubox...sometimes I think they get them really really wrong - Horn-Pac comes first to mind.

So in other words you are just a casual boxing can.

Conversation over now youngster. Go follow tennis.

[REdrUm0351]

Quillin-Angulo! After the first few rounds I couldn't believe that they had such a huge gap in punches landed as if they weren't counting when Angulo went to the body. Watch the fight there are times the punch tally is on the screen and Quillin wasn't throwing and punches are counting for Quillin while Angulo is throwing. Punch stats are not trustworthy and are no way to gauge a fight anyway because they don't show who landed the more effective punches.

[Boxing_1013]

So in other words you are just a casual boxing can.

Conversation over now youngster. Go follow tennis.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings man lol...maybe you are a big Angulo or Quillin fan lol...was just a joke my friend.

But yeah I generally reserve my time for watching the good fights/fighters...if a great fight happens under the radar can always go back and watch the replay.

Tennis is actually great entertainment at the top level...boxing at 90 feet as Jimmy Connors said...and probably the 3 greatest ever tennis players playing in this era now...pretty special times.

[Boxing_1013]

Quillin-Angulo! After the first few rounds I couldn't believe that they had such a huge gap in punches landed as if they weren't counting when Angulo went to the body. Watch the fight there are times the punch tally is on the screen and Quillin wasn't throwing and punches are counting for Quillin while Angulo is throwing. Punch stats are not trustworthy and are no way to gauge a fight anyway because they don't show who landed the more effective punches.

That's what I am wondering...it is hard to imagine a competitive fight where the numbers were that wide...thanks for the info.

[Curtis Harper]

Yeah I'm not sure why some people are trying to be snarky about it lol.

If you have a big punch margin at the end of the fight, generally speaking you are almost certainly winning a lion's share of the rounds on punch count...and in general most guys punch about as hard as each other...so all that being said, if one guy has a big punch edge at the end of the fight, it makes sense to think that he almost always won the fight.

Surprised that needed to be said/explained on a boxing forum, but here we are lol

It's as if they're in a battle with themselves to make their lunacy make sense

Tell me boxing genius. In your opinion, if boxer A) lands tens punches in a round on boxer B but no damage is done but boxer B) lands 5 effective and damaging punches on boxer A. Who wins the round?

I'm no genius and that's not the scenario I put 4th....
If a guy lands punches but they didn't ''hurt'' his opponent, do those punches count ???

Take your time
And when you're done, I'll answer yours