Can anyone remember any fights where...

[Boxing_1013]

Didn’t Castillo Outland Floyd by like 100 punches man handled him and still lost

When I watched that fight I saw it 4-2 for Floyd in the first 6...could see 3-3...and then 4-2 for Castillo in the last 6...could see 3-3...whenever I have watched it I score it 7-5 for Floyd or 6-6..but I could see a 7-5 Castillo win...one of those rare, 5% or so of fights that really could go either way.

I certainly saw very even action throughout the fight as far as punches landed go.

Fights are scored round by round....not by total punches at the end

Yep this is true...and generally when you are outlanding someone by that many punches in a fight, you are outlanding them almost every round...so naturally it would seem you are winning most of those rounds, and then the fight.

So if a guy averages landing a whole 4 punches more per round you couldn't see him winning a fight ha?

You'd be a perfect Las Vegas judge, you should apply for a job.

I'm not exactly sure what point you are trying to make...as you appear to be arguing my point, yet your comment appears to agree with it as well...maybe you agree with me and just didn't catch what I was saying? Not sure.

4 punches more per round is quite significant actually...15-11 might be a typical round in that type of fight...it is possible for the guy landing 11 punches to take that round...if he lands a great shot and/or the only real significant punches of the round, it could be a pick em round or close and some/many could shade it to him...but generally speaking a 15-11 round is a clear round for the guy who landed 15 imo.

Also of course generally over the course of a fight, if you outland by 50 punches, then you often have a round by round situation where you outland by 7,8,6,1,-1, 3, 6,9,-2,7,6,0.

Hard to see how the guy who outlanded you by 50 doesn't have a clear W there, 9 times out of 10....in the above example a card of 8-4 or 9-3 would appear to be the right call.

I don't think anyone is saying it couldn't happen but isn't it odd when it mostly happens in favor of the guy who makes the most profit for the most people?

Yeah I don't know exactly what he was even trying to say there lol...maybe he just mis-read my original post

[Marchegiano]

Punch count isn't the sole criteria for scoring a fight.

[Redd Foxx]

a guy got outlanded by 49 punches in fight 1...and then 32 punches in fight 2...yet some people swear that guy won both fights/was the better man in those 2 fights?

I can't think of any that I've seen where a guy was outlanded by that amount and where I actually felt he was even close to winning the fight.

Many times. I guess you're noobish and this whole thing comes as a surprise to you so I won't flame you but it's really not uncommon. Did you think Thurman beat Pac? Because, by your logic, you should have. Thurman out-landed him by 30(?) or so punches.

The biggest thing you need to learn is that fights are scored by rounds, not total punches landed. And, the difference between the quality of punches.

[Boxing_1013]

Punch count isn't the sole criteria for scoring a fight.

Punches landed and their effectiveness are actually the only criteria for scoring a fight...obviously round by round is how it is done, but just as obviously if you are outlanding someone by that many punches, it makes sense that you are likely winning the lion's share of the rounds on the punch count...as I addressed in an earlier post.

Many times. I guess you're noobish and this whole thing comes as a surprise to you so I won't flame you but it's really not uncommon. Did you think Thurman beat Pac? Because, by your logic, you should have. Thurman out-landed him by 30(?) or so punches.

The biggest thing you need to learn is that fights are scored by rounds, not total punches landed. And, the difference between the quality of punches.

I think maybe you quoted the wrong person?...as my previous posts indicate, boxing is obviously scored round by round...not really sure what 'flame me' means either but as adults I think we should talk like and act like adults on here, and leave the childish lingo to the kids.

As mentioned prior...and idk if maybe you are a bit new to the game and projecting a bit with your 'knowledge' here...so I will break this part down again, though I really shouldn't have to my friend ...but when one outlands another by so many punches, logically they are often outlanding the opponent by a rather significant amount of punches in many rounds...and generally speaking the fighter outlanding the other by a few punches per round is taking that round.

My initial post was indeed referencing punches counted by compubox...but I more or less agreed with the totals in those two particular fights that I cited...I don't always agree with compubox numbers...and I have yet to personally see a fight where one guy landed 50 more punches, in my eyes, and actually lost the fight.

Thus the reason for the thread/post/topic...perhaps you are having a bad day or indeed responded to the wrong person, but your response is a strange one imo...if you have seen a fight where a guy gets outlanded by 50 punches over 12 rounds, in your eyes, and wins the fight, then that's cool...I have watched a lot of boxing over the years and have never really seen a fight where I felt that happened.

If you have seen it happen so much and wanted to contribute here...just casually listing the fights where it occurred and then giving your opinion on why the guy who got outlanded won would have been a better look imo...I don't think your response here came off as cool as you may have hoped.

I don't really have any interest in paying high priced PPVs for average fights...and I am not a huge Pac fan...he is great though...so I never watched Thurman-Pac in total...I do think Horn deserved a win over Manny in their fight, though could see it 7-5 either way or 6-6...however I feel compubox did not score a lot of the work that Horn did in that fight...felt the punch stats were much closer to even than the 90 punch margin compubox had.

[Redd Foxx]

Punches landed and their effectiveness are actually the only criteria for scoring a fight...obviously round by round is how it is done, but just as obviously if you are outlanding someone by that many punches, it makes sense that you are likely winning the lion's share of the rounds on the punch count...as I addressed in an earlier post.




I think maybe you quoted the wrong person?...as my previous posts indicate, boxing is obviously scored round by round...not really sure what 'flame me' means either but as adults I think we should talk like and act like adults on here, and leave the childish lingo to the kids.

As mentioned prior...and idk if maybe you are a bit new to the game and projecting a bit with your 'knowledge' here...so I will break this part down again, though I really shouldn't have to my friend ...but when one outlands another by so many punches, logically they are often outlanding the opponent by a rather significant amount of punches in many rounds...and generally speaking the fighter outlanding the other by a few punches per round is taking that round.

My initial post was indeed referencing punches counted by compubox...but I more or less agreed with the totals in those two particular fights that I cited...I don't always agree with compubox numbers...and I have yet to personally see a fight where one guy landed 50 more punches, in my eyes, and actually lost the fight.

Thus the reason for the thread/post/topic...perhaps you are having a bad day or indeed responded to the wrong person, but your response is a strange one imo...if you have seen a fight where a guy gets outlanded by 50 punches over 12 rounds, in your eyes, and wins the fight, then that's cool...I have watched a lot of boxing over the years and have never really seen a fight where I felt that happened.

If you have seen it happen so much and wanted to contribute here...just casually listing the fights where it occurred and then giving your opinion on why the guy who got outlanded won would have been a better look imo...I don't think your response here came off as cool as you may have hoped.

I don't really have any interest in paying high priced PPVs for average fights...and I am not a huge Pac fan...he is great though...so I never watched Thurman-Pac in total...I do think Horn deserved a win over Manny in their fight, though could see it 7-5 either way or 6-6...however I feel compubox did not score a lot of the work that Horn did in that fight...felt the punch stats were much closer to even than the 90 punch margin compubox had.

Read the first couple sentences and it became clear you're someone who embarrassed themselves with a ****** thread and now you're getting hostile over it.
Guy, you sounded dumb AF. Get over it. Happens to everyone. Quit arguing and just learn about the science.

[CauliflowerEars]

a guy got outlanded by 49 punches in fight 1...and then 32 punches in fight 2...yet some people swear that guy won both fights/was the better man in those 2 fights?
I can't think of any that I've seen where a guy was outlanded by that amount and where I actually felt he was even close to winning the fight.

I think you're one of the very few guys on here that I will still recognize, regardless how much your log-in name changes.
Peace Bro

[Boxing_1013]

Read the first couple sentences and it became clear you're someone who embarrassed themselves with a ****** thread and now you're getting hostile over it.
Guy, you sounded dumb AF. Get over it. Happens to everyone. Quit arguing and just learn about the science.

? Not at all hostile man lol...maybe you are a bit embarrassed that you made a childish comment and got called on it, idk...but if I told you I got offended by what some random guy online, especially a guy with a pic of another man as his avatar, has to say...I mean I don't man lol...and honestly no offense, maybe you are an OK guy, don't really know ya...but yeah not offended in the slightest my friend.

It was a sincere thread and as mentioned, I have never seen a fight where I saw a guy get outlanded by 30 or 50 punches and where I felt that guy won the fight...as mentioned as well, the only thing that is scored in boxing are punches and their effectiveness...so if you are outlanding by a high number throughout the fight, you are almost certainly winning a high percentage of the rounds...this is just math my friend, we need that as well when evaluating the sweet science.

Unfortunately on here I would say most people don't really keep it too real with what they see...meaning they could see a fight where the action is relatively even, but if the punch stats say they favor their guy, then they will co-sign those stats...and by the inverse of that could prop up stats (in this case) to say their guy won a fight when he got outlanded significantly etc.

As I have said, in all the fights I've watched, I have yet to see a fight where a guy was getting outlanded by 20-25% (would be roughly 50 punches over the course of a 10-12 round fight), and actually won the fight...just have never legitimately seen it...if you really have, well good on ya my friend.

[Boxing_1013]

I think you're one of the very few guys on here that I will still recognize, regardless how much your log-in name changes.
Peace Bro

Lol hey bro...thank you ...I think lol

Hope you are doing great man...I am enjoying this cooler weather myself...man here I am talking about the weather, I guess I am officially an old man now

[Curt Henning]

LOL@ the lil g defenders thinking you score fights at the end by looking at the compubox numbers.....sounds about par for the course with these dumb gggroupies

[Rockybigblower]

Yep this is true...and generally when you are outlanding someone by that many punches in a fight, you are outlanding them almost every round...so naturally it would seem you are winning most of those rounds, and then the fight.


Hard to see how the guy who outlanded you by 50 doesn't have a clear W there, 9 times out of 10....in the above example a card of 8-4 or 9-3 would appear to be the right call.

I suppose an exception to the rule is a Hardy vs Serrano type fight where Hardy got blitzed in the first round and then steadied and made a case for possibly winning the fight.