Comments Thread For: Canelo: I've Done What I Had To Do Against Golovkin

[Boxing_1013]

I don't think you understand how much more comfortable you get fighting a guy after the first fight. So the 2nd fight was easier on Alvarez than the first. Why would the 3rd be harder than either of the first two. You seem to be speaking from the perspective of someone who hasn't gone through anything hard in life. It doesn't make you afraid...it fortifies you. It takes you to another level.

Not a bad point...however usually the other guy becomes more comfortable as well, as there are no feel out rounds needed anymore...you already know what the other guy has...held true in this fight as well as fight 2 had significantly more action than fight 1...and I would imagine that Canelo has never had over 200 punches landed on him besides Floyd and GGG...and GGG did it twice and punches significantly harder than Floyd.

Every time you step in the ring there is potential to lose, so the "downside" argument applies to every subsequent fight regardless of who it is. Where do you get that GGG was Canelos defining fight. He was Canelo before GGG. He was considered one of the best BEFORE GGG. Not to say fighting GGG wasn't gonna add to his legacy, just saying that fighting GGG didn't or doesn't define him, particularly in the way fighting Canelo defines GGG career. Why, because outside of Jacobs, GGG had never fought anyone considered one of the best in their respective divisions where he could showcase his skills.

Man no disrespect but you seem rather unwilling to cede fairly minor points...it is clear that rematching a tough fight after you have the official W is a 'risky' move...you already have the win, and a 2nd win could help solidify your status..likewise though, a loss could take away the shine that the first win gave you and negate the praise and status you achieved in the first place.

I respectfully disagree with your other assertions as well...I think Canelo has largely picked most of his opponents, and fought them on his terms/weight, and many were past their best...even then he struggled to convincingly separate from them in the match, even if he did win some close decisions imo...in GGG's case, I think he faced about 15 guys of good/similar quality to Canelo's group (GGG probably has a few more tough fights on his list imo as he has a few years on Canelo), and KOed and ran through them all...when any other fighter, even ATGs, have runs like that, they usually lose one or two etc.

Canelo is a really good fighter and imo he showed that by competing well vs GGG in both fights...I felt he was pretty clearly the loser in both fights but I was impressed with him and he had his moments...I think he has showed his quality before and since that as well...but imo GGG has been more impressive before those fights as far as career goes.

It will be interesting to see what their careers/futures hold! Hope they mix it up once or twice more.

[Boxing_1013]

Not a fan of canelo but as a boxing fan i got nothing but respect for this young man, who fought the best and won most of his fights against them..when he got schooled by mayweather he took the L like a champ unlike that over hyped bum fraud bumlovkin..fought the c level bums such as monroe jr, geale, wade..and some even more unknown bums ...yea he could fool the casuals but not true boxing fans...he lost to canelo two times and he keeps crying like a lil girl..well to be honest even tho canelo smashed him i give him credit for lasting 12 rounds I mean just look at his past opponents lol..what a joke of guy. But hey his fan boys here on boxingscene show us every day what kind of followers and fan base he has

Serious question...how can you slight GGG so much when he outlanded Canelo by 81 punches combined in the two fights...49 in the first fight and 32 in the second fight...like lol bro...how can you praise Nelo for that performance but slight GGG...just makes you seem really biased imo.

[TonyGe]

I don't think you understand how much more comfortable you get fighting a guy after the first fight. So the 2nd fight was easier on Alvarez than the first. Why would the 3rd be harder than either of the first two. You seem to be speaking from the perspective of someone who hasn't gone through anything hard in life. It doesn't make you afraid...it fortifies you. It takes you to another level.

Of course that only applies to Canelo . Right.......

[Ake-Dawg]

Not a bad point...however usually the other guy becomes more comfortable as well, as there are no feel out rounds needed anymore...you already know what the other guy has...held true in this fight as well as fight 2 had significantly more action than fight 1...and I would imagine that Canelo has never had over 200 punches landed on him besides Floyd and GGG...and GGG did it twice and punches significantly harder than Floyd.



Man no disrespect but you seem rather unwilling to cede fairly minor points...it is clear that rematching a tough fight after you have the official W is a 'risky' move...you already have the win, and a 2nd win could help solidify your status..likewise though, a loss could take away the shine that the first win gave you and negate the praise and status you achieved in the first place.

I respectfully disagree with your other assertions as well...I think Canelo has largely picked most of his opponents, and fought them on his terms/weight, and many were past their best...even then he struggled to convincingly separate from them in the match, even if he did win some close decisions imo...in GGG's case, I think he faced about 15 guys of good/similar quality to Canelo's group (GGG probably has a few more tough fights on his list imo as he has a few years on Canelo), and KOed and ran through them all...when any other fighter, even ATGs, have runs like that, they usually lose one or two etc.

Canelo is a really good fighter and imo he showed that by competing well vs GGG in both fights...I felt he was pretty clearly the loser in both fights but I was impressed with him and he had his moments...I think he has showed his quality before and since that as well...but imo GGG has been more impressive before those fights as far as career goes.

It will be interesting to see what their careers/futures hold! Hope they mix it up once or twice more.

Im not saying your points have zero merit. I'm simply emphasizing how minor (as you acknowledge) your points are in relation to your ultimate message of Alvarez being afraid to rematch GGG for a 2nd time. I'm also echoing that although GGG has many impressive LOOKING wins, he has only fought two fighters with elite level talent and skill. One of those fighters is Canelo, making the results of those fights more career defining for him than for Canelo. This is particular evidenced by Canelo having better wins at 154 than GGG does at 160 combined with the mere fact that Canelo has moved up twice (the significance of moving up cannot be underscored).

And no...GGG has not faced anyone outside of Jacobs and Canelo who are on the level of Lara, Trout, Mosely, or Cotto. Not one.

[Ake-Dawg]

Of course that only applies to Canelo . Right.......

Of course not. The context is whether or not a fighter is afraid to fight a guy again.

[ruedboy]

Im not saying your points have zero merit. I'm simply emphasizing how minor (as you acknowledge) your points are in relation to your ultimate message of Alvarez being afraid to rematch GGG for a 2nd time. I'm also echoing that although GGG has many impressive LOOKING wins, he has only fought two fighters with elite level talent and skill. One of those fighters is Canelo, making the results of those fights more career defining for him than for Canelo. This is particular evidenced by Canelo having better wins at 154 than GGG does at 160 combined with the mere fact that Canelo has moved up twice (the significance of moving up cannot be underscored).

And no...GGG has not faced anyone outside of Jacobs and Canelo who are on the level of Lara, Trout, Mosely, or Cotto. Not one.

Trout's lost every time he stepped up. Incuding Williams, Hurd, and the Charlos.
Mosely was 42 years old when he fought Alvarez.
Cotto was faded, he suffered beat downs from Magarito and Pac. Even Floyd almost stopped him.
Alvarez has 3 good wins vs Lara, Golovkin and Jacobs.
Two of those were close, controversial decisions.

[Ake-Dawg]

Trout's lost every time he stepped up. Incuding Williams, Hurd, and the Charlos.
Mosely was 42 years old when he fought Alvarez.
Cotto was faded, he suffered beat downs from Magarito and Pac. Even Floyd almost stopped him.
Alvarez has 3 good wins vs Lara, Golovkin and Jacobs.
Two of those were close, controversial decisions.

All of what you say regarding Trout Mosely and Cotto is valid, but so is the purview that they are all better opponents than the guys on Golovkins resume not named Jacobs.

[mlac]

translated as: i fought him and lost and got a ridiculous gift draw, my own fans boo'd me so i got jacked up on all the PEDS in the book for the rematch, got caught. and STILL couldnt beat him legit, got another dodgy decision. and i won't get away with it for a 3rd time.

[ruedboy]

All of what you say regarding Trout Mosely and Cotto is valid, but so is the purview that they are all better opponents than the guys on Golovkins resume not named Jacobs.

I think Monroe Jr, Murray and Lemieux are as good as anybody on Canelo's resume not named Lara or Golovkin.
That said, of course Mosley and Cotto were great fighters in their primes, just not when Alvarez fought them.

[Ake-Dawg]

I think Monroe Jr, Murray and Lemieux are as good as anybody on Canelo's resume not named Lara or Golovkin.
That said, of course Mosley and Cotto were great fighters in their primes, just not when Alvarez fought them.

Murray's is the best of those three and he was just a fringe contender. Lemieux even though he lucked into a belt, was trash. Even in their last days, Cotto and Mosley were better fighters than the three you mentioned. Those two didn't get retired by boxing...they retired from boxing. Especially Cotto.